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[Final] Arceus-Dragon

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Ubers Analyses' started by Dr. Doom, Jan 30, 2013.

  1. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Here's my analysis of Dragon Arceus. A personal favourite, being the fastest Dragon type in existence makes it worth considering for any Ubers team.

    The analysis is written Wiki Style, so I can make the changes I might need to here, and then copy and paste.

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    Overview

    Arceus equips the Draco Plate to assume its Draconic form. In this forme it gains one of the best [[STAB]]s around, resistances to the common Fire and Water moves, and great attacking options on both sides in [[Outrage]] and [[Judgment]] making the Lord of the Dragons extremely unpredictable. Although it can't stand up to frigid blasts or blows from its fellow Dragons, Dragon Arceus is an incredibly potent threat. Face the God of the Dragons and tremble in fear of its power!

    Swords Dance

    {{set|name=Swords Dance|nature=Jolly|item=Draco Plate|ability=Multitype|ev=4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd|move1=Swords Dance|move2=Outrage|move3=Earthquake|move4=Extremespeed}}

    Although it faces competition from {{5gubers|Rayquaza}} and Normal {{5gubers|Arcues}}, it has big advantages over them both. It's considerably faster than {{5gubers|Rayquaza}} and while Normal Arceus's [[Extremespeed]] hits for a nice 120 power with [[STAB]], Outrage hits a whopping 216 power with STAB and Draco Plate boost. Dragon Arceus also blows straight through {{5gubers|Giratina}}, something Normal Arceus could never do. The Steel types that resist Outrage are hit for Super Effective damage by Earthquake. Despite not getting [[STAB]] and having weak power, Extremespeed's good for cleaning up heavily weakened Pokemon.

    The EVs maximise power while allowing it to tie with over max speed Arceus formes.

    Calm Mind

    {{set|name=Calm Mind|nature=Timid|item=Draco Plate|ability=Multitype|ev=4 HP, 252 SAtk, 252 Spd|move1=Calm Mind|move2=Judgment|move3=Fire Blast|move31=Focus Blast|move4=Recover}}

    Although it faces competition from the Eon Twins and {{5gubers|Giratina-O}}, it has advantages over them. It's faster, and has Fire Blast, enabling it to get almost perfect neutral coverage in 2 moves. Fire Blast is the best move to use, unless Arceus is on a rain team, in which case use Focus Blast. Judgment does heavy damage to everything that isn't Steel type, a pink blob or {{5gubers|Ho-Oh}} after a boost or 2. Fire Blast or Focus Blast deal with said Steel types. Recover keeps Arceus alive longer, allowing it to bag more boosts and sweep more easily.

    The EVs maximise special attack while allowing Arceus to tie with other max speed Arceus formes. There are several alternative set ups you could use. A Modest nature is usable for more power. 252 HP, 4 SAtk, 252 Spd is an option if you'd prefer bulk to muscle – however, Dragon and Ice moves are very common. You could also use 142 HP, 252 SAtk, 112 Spd with a Timid Nature – you outrun max speed {{5gubers|Garchomp}}, while granting Arceus more bulk.

    Other Options

    [[Brick Break]] can be used on the [[Swords Dance]] set to deal with the ubiquitous {{5gubers|Ferrothorn}}, although it's quite weak and Dragon Arceus would rather have its teammates handle {{5gubers|Ferrothorn}}. Since Dragon [[STAB]] gets such good coverage on its own, the coverage move can be dropped on the [[Calm Mind]] set and replaced with [[Substitute]] or [[Refresh]]. If running [[Substitute]], use a set up of 92 HP, 164 SAtk, 252 Spd – it allows Arceus to create 101 HP Subs while still hitting hard. While on the [[Calm Mind]] set, Recover can be dropped altogether for another coverage move. [[Thunder]] or [[Thunderbolt]] are usually the best bet to beat {{5gubers|Ho-Oh}}

    Synergy

    {{5gubers|Groudon}} can lay [[Stealth Rock]] to aid Arceus in its sweeping goal. It can also take out {{5gubers|Ferrothorn}} and {{5gubers|Skarmory}}, which greatly aid the physical set. {{5gubers|Ferrothorn}} or {{5gubers|Forretress}} can switch into the Scarfed [[Outrage]]s aimed at Dragon Arceus with ease, and set up [[Stealth Rock]] and [[Spikes]]. {{5gubers|Wobbuffet}} can take out the [[Choice Scarf]] Dragons which threaten Dragon Arcues with [[Counter]] or [[Mirror Coat]] – it can also create set up opportunities with [[Encore]]. Mixed {{5gubers|Rayquaza}} can pave the way for it to sweep by removing physical walls with [[Draco Meteor]] and the special ones with [[Outrage]] or [[V-create]]. {{5gubers|Terrakion}} can beat take out the bulky Steel types not weak to [[Earthquake]] that trouble the [[Swords Dance]] set. After a [[Swords Dance]], Terrakion can even OHKO {{5gubers|Skarmory}}.

    Checks and Counters

    Other Choice Scarfed Dragons can revenge kill Dragon Arceus with [[Outrage]] or [[Draco Meteor]]. However, the special ones will lose to the [[Calm Mind]] set if it's bagged enough boosts. And none of them can switch in, since [[Outrage]] or [[Judgment]] (or [[Earthquake]] in Dialga's case) will both OHKO after a boost. {{5gubers|Ferrothorn}} and {{5gubers|Skarmory}} wall the [[Swords Dance]] set, and can cripple with status. {{5gubers|Chansey}} and {{5gubers|Blissey}} wall the [[Calm Mind]] set, but will lose if it packs [[Substitute]] or [[Refresh]]. {{5gubers|Ho-Oh}} can wall the [[Calm Mind]] set, but will eventually fall if it lacks [[Whirlwind]]. Ice Arceus can OHKO with a [[Judgment]] of its own, but won't want to switch in since a +2 [[Outrage]] or a +1 [[Fire Blast]] will OHKO. [/HIDE]
     
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  2. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    A good analysis but one nitpick, right at the end you talk about a +1 Fire Blast. Isn't Focus Blast in the same boat? Serious nitpick but eh.
     
  3. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    No worries, I'll sort it.
     
  4. Blimlax

    Blimlax A Silent and Serene Heart

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    " The Steel types that resist Outrage are hit for Super Effective damage by Earthquake."

    Should fix this part, Skarmory isn't affected by earthquake, while Ferrothorn and Forretress are hit neutrally by earthquake. The only relevant steel types that are hit for SA damage by earthquake are dialga, excadrill, and jirachi.

    Lugia also should be mentioned in the checks & counters section. It can take any boosted attack and phaze you out with either Whirlwind or Dragon Tail. Everything else looks fine to me, although I don't have much experience with using arceus dragon. It can be difficult to set up often since the meta is so dragon heavy, and a lot of threats [kyogre, mewtwo, genesect, kyurem-W, etc] all have ice beam to hit you with, making things more annoying.
     
  5. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    A +2 Outrage has a chance to OHKO 252/178 Bold Lugia. The Calm Mind set will have trouble beating it though.
    252Atk Draco Plate +2 Multitype Arceus (Neutral) Outrage vs 252HP/178Def Lugia (+Def): 67% - 79% (280 - 331 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

    Dragon Arceus is a very good Pokemon if played right. Once Ferrothorn and Skarmory are gone, the Swords Dance set can sweep teams easily. The Calm Mind is very hard to stop once it gets going. Mewtwo can't OHKO without a boost; Scarf Genesect can't OHKO even with a boost. Scarf Kyogre can't OHKO with Ice Beam; only the most physically bulky Kyogre can survive a +2 Outrage, and that won't even get close to OHKOing Arceus. If the two engage in a CM war though, Kyogre will win eventually if it packs Ice Beam. Kyurem-W will always lose one on one if it doesn't pack a Scarf. Even then, it will lose to the CM set if Arceus is behind a Sub when it comes in.
     
  6. ZoroDark

    ZoroDark i know everything

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    If you mention Heatran there (which I'm okay with: it's perfectly viable, just less used than it should be), make sure to mention it in the CM section too. Since Fire Blast is (and should be) the first slash, you won't be able to touch it.
     
  7. NidoTheKing

    NidoTheKing Father of the Year 2014!

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    Just wondering: Maybe the CM set could slash in Recover on either Fire Blast or Focus Blast. I find it more of a tank than a sweeper (and it differs from Giratina stat and typing wise, so it should be an option). It's an advantage over other powerhouse Dragons.
     
  8. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon is an espeon.

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    Put on wiki, QC and checkers direct attention towards editing there.