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[BW2] Break a pokemon

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Discussion' started by Spoovo The Pirate, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. Arceus_17

    Arceus_17 Avoid eye contact

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    Dunsparce also roosts like a champ and yet i don't recall the existance of snakes that rest "after flying for a long time" o.O
    Seems a legit option, IMO.:cool:
     
  2. DelanHaar6

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    Salamence @ White Herb
    Trait: Simple
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SAtk
    Nature: Naive
    - Shell Smash
    - Outrage / Dragon Claw
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Blast

    I just took my Omastar idea and applied it to what's already a fearsome monster in OU. Besides, it evolves from Shelgon. Shelgon. It could totally work.
     
  3. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    This guy raises a good point. Shell Smash Tyranitar could probably also be done with the same logic. :3
     
  4. Noog

    Noog So much potential...

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    At least Dunsparce can fly (albiet with tiny wings). I'm pretty sure Empoleon is flightless, and gliding doesn't really count as flying since it takes no energy and it can't stay in the air.

    Also, Scyther and Dustox can fly, and the latter can be seen flying in the anime.

    This is getting way off-topic though. :P
     
  5. viamage

    viamage That one guy

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    i would say Magic guard over Sheer Force to get rid of the annoying stealth rock weakness, but yeah that works too.

    [​IMG] @ something
    Trait: Solar POwer
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid/Modest
    - Sunny Day
    - Roost
    - Fiery Dance
    - Thunder Bolt

    thunder bolt might be pushing it, but since draco meteor is for dragon exclusive I couldn't really do much else. also, I know Fiery Dance is Volc exclusive, but it would literally add fire to fire and be so awesome. Charizard needs some breaks, stealth rock was too cruel to him.
     
  6. phucvn

    phucvn Cheap player

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    hmm try this on
    [email protected] Specs
    Trait:drought
    -Eruption
    -solarbeam
    -Fire blast
    -Dragon pulse
    Mimicking the great specsogre, hello groudon, welcome to Overused, you got fired cuz typhlosion replace you as an uber
     
  7. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    ^ I wouldn't say Typhlosion would replace Groudon in Ubers even with Drought, because Groudon has bulk and better typing at its disposal, whereas Typhlosion is frail as all hell, with mediocre Fire-typing, and only one use. Groudon can also use support and defensive sets brilliantly.
     
  8. B. Rizzo

    B. Rizzo A relic of the past, given new life.

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    I wish PO had DB Mods like Netbattle, implementing most of these would be so much fun. Maybe it does though, I just can't remember.
     
  9. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    One interesting one I've thought of. I'm not sure if it would break the Pokemon, but it would certainly give it a big boost.

    Escavalier @ Choice Band
    Trait: Analytic
    Brave Nature (+Atk -Spd)
    EV: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 SDef
    IV: 0 Spd
    Megahorn
    Gyro Ball
    Double Edge
    Pursuit

    252Atk Choice Band Analytic Escavalier (+Atk) Gyro Ball vs 4HP/0Def Nidoqueen (Neutral): 125% - 147% (403 - 475 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
    252Atk Choice Band Analytic Escavalier (+Atk) Megahorn vs 252HP/0Def Sigilyph (Neutral): 148% - 175% (517 - 610 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
    252Atk Choice Band Analytic Escavalier (+Atk) Megahorn vs 252HP/0Def Leftovers Dusknoir (Neutral): 56% - 66% (165 - 195 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252Atk Choice Band Analytic Escavalier (+Atk) Megahorn vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Spiritomb (+Def): 96% - 113% (294 - 346 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 80% chance to OHKO.
     
  10. twofivefive

    twofivefive don't call it a comeback

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    If anyone has ever played Balanced Hackmons on Showdown, TR Huge Power Gyro Ball Escavalier is the shit.
     
  11. Tupac Shakur

    Tupac Shakur :]

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    Heracross @ Fighting Gem
    Trait: Unburden
    Adamant nature
    252atk/252spe/4hp

    -Close Combat
    -Megahorn
    -Stone Edge
    -EarthQuake

    Idk, at least it out classes the scarfed set.
     
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  12. DelanHaar6

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    I'd prefer X-Scissor and Sleep Talk in the last two slots, but yeah, this would be AMAZING...though at the cost of possibly losing to slowking that carry a fire move.
     
  13. TFL

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    Shedinja @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Sturdy
    Lonely Nature (+Atk -Def)
    EVs: 252 Atk, 4 SDef, 252 Spe

    Endeavor
    Shadow Sneak
    X-Scissor
    Sunny Day

    Didn't bother to see if anyone posted this before me.
     
  14. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Why X-Scissor over Sucker Punch? Sucker gets the Normal-types which are immune to SS and faster than X-Scissor, while X-Scissor only works if you're faster. You could use both over Sunny Day, but I presume it's a sun setter or sth.
     
  15. TFL

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    X-Scissor's to beat any Normal type that has some form of recovery. Sunny Day is for catching Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Abomasnow on the switch. The last move is Filler if you have Rain or Sun support. Perhaps a +Spe Nature...
     
  16. Xinc

    Xinc Time for Oras?

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    Spiritomb @ Lum Berry
    Trait:Wonder Guard
    Bold Nature (+Def -Atk)
    EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Sp Atk/ 252 Spd

    Calm Mind
    Dark Pulse
    Will-o-wisp
    Substitute

    Dark pulse hits everything, Lum Berry for toxic, Substitute for hiding other status ailments. WoW for Miltank
     
  17. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Here's one I thought of:

    Arceus-Fire @ Flame Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    Adamant Nature (+Atk -SAtk)
    EV: 4 Def, 252 SAtk, 252 Spd
    Swords Dance
    V-Create
    Recover
    Extremespeed

    Think Extremekiller's strong? Normal Arceus's Extremespeed hits for 120 power. In Sun, Fire Arceus's V-Create hits for 485 - over 4 times harder! Extremespeed finishes off those Pokemon that aren't quite OHKOd by V-Create. Recover keeps it alive longer; Extremespeed lets it pick off anything that might've survived V-Create. Here are some calcs to show just what a badass Fire Arceus would be with V-Create.
    252Atk Flame Plate +2 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) V-create in Rain vs 4HP/0Def Kyogre (Neutral): 58% - 68% (199 - 235 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252Atk Flame Plate +2 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) V-create in Sun vs 4HP/0Def Palkia (Neutral): 84% - 100% (273 - 322 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252Atk Flame Plate +2 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) V-create in Sandstorm vs 252HP/0Def Tyranitar (Neutral): 83% - 98% (336 - 396 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252Atk Flame Plate +2 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) V-create in Sun vs 252HP/0Def Soul Dew Levitate Latias (Neutral): 164% - 193% (598 - 704 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
    252Atk Flame Plate +2 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) V-create in Sun vs 252HP/0Def Stone Plate Multitype Arceus (Neutral): 105% - 124% (468 - 551 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
    252Atk Flame Plate +2 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) V-create in Sun vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Giratina (+Def): 69% - 81% (348 - 409 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
     
  18. Mr. N00b

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    Even if it hits way harder, Extreme Killer Arceus has the advantage of better coverage, STAB +2 priority, and less likely to be revenged killer bar Choice Scarf Dialga or opposing Arceus.
     
  19. Spoovo The Pirate

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    Here's a thought:

    Cryogonal @ Heat Rock / Life Orb
    Ability: Solar Power
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)

    -Sunny Day
    -SolarBeam
    -Ice Beam
    -Hidden Power Fire / Rapid Spin

    The pokedex says something about Cryogonal absorbing sunlight, so this makes decent sense to me. Sure, it wouldn't break Cryogonal, but it'd be one epic surprise. :D
     
  20. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Stil though, do I want a base 80 STAB move that hits nothing for SE Damage, or a 180 power move that gets powered up in sun and hits a lot of stuff for SE damage? On a Pokemon that can't be burnt. Hmmm...I'll go with SD Fireceus, if it got V-Create.

    Still, if Arceus got V-Create, Normal and Dragon would probably use it in their Swords Dance sets as well for extra coverage.
     
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    Weavile @ Life Orb
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)

    -Ice Shard
    -Bite
    -Low Sweep
    -Aerial Ace

    Weavile NEEDED Technician. A bunch of his STAB moves have 60 power or below. It kinda runs like Breloom in OU, but with more speed and not heavily reliant on priority to beat opposing Pokes. Ice Shard and Bite are must-have STABs. Low Sweep is for Steel and other Dark types and has a nice effect of lowering the foe's Speed, and Aerial Ace is for Fighting-types like Heracross.
     
  22. Arceus_17

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    Farfetch'd @ Stick / Life Orb
    Trait: Pure Power
    Iv's: 0 Spe
    Ev's: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Brave Nature (+Atk - Spe)

    - Brave Bird
    - Leaf Blade
    - Close Combat
    - Slash / Return


    Suddenly good old Farfetch turns into a fearsome Trick Room Sweeper.
     
  23. gbatemper

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    Lugia @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EV: Standard Wall EVs
    Bold
    -Cosmic Power
    -Recover
    -Substitute
    -Whirlwind


    This set is most deadly set in the world. PRANKSTER SPORE. Near guaranteed pass.


    [email protected] leftovers
    252 Def 252hp
    Trait:Prankster
    -Spore
    -Baton Pass
    -QuiverDance/Shell Smash/Gear Grind/Tail Glow
    -Substitute
     
  24. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Chansey @ Eviolite
    Trait: Filter
    Bold Nature
    EV: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SDef

    Will-O-Wisp
    Softboiled
    Seismic Toss
    Wish/ Heal Bell

    UNBREAKABLE.
     
  25. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    Conkelderp says hai, Doom. Guts + Drain Punch = dead Chansey. :(
     
  26. Mr. N00b

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    Still not enough to OHKO sadly :/ This is calculated WITH Guts boost

    252Atk Guts burned Conkeldurr (+Atk) Drain Punch vs 252HP/252Def Eviolite Filter Chansey (+Def): 60% - 70% (423 - 499 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

    Without Guts boost:

    252Atk Guts Conkeldurr (+Atk) Drain Punch vs 252HP/252Def Eviolite Filter Chansey (+Def): 40% - 47% (283 - 334 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.
     
  27. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    Well yeah, I didn't mean immediately. Conk's gonna try and Bulk Up or something when facing a Chansey, isn't he? xD
     
  28. Mr. N00b

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    Well Chansey can just switch out, if possible.
     
  29. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Rotom-S @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    Timid/Modest nature
    EV: 252 SAtk, 4 SDef, 252 Spd
    Rain Dance
    Thunder
    Hurricane
    Hidden Power Water
     
  30. Young_BasedGod

    Young_BasedGod Swag to the maximum

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    True, but unlike e-killer it does not get severly damaged or ohko'd by scarf chandelure's overheat in no preview ubers.

    Regigigas @ Choice Band
    Trait: Stall
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Return
    - Payback
    - Revenge/Drain Punch
    - Fire Punch/Earthquake

    A different take on Regigigas being a slow, lumbering giant. Stall is a reasonable upgrade from Slow Start as even though you will still go last, you will have virtually 0 speed all the time so there is no need to invest there. Payback always hits at full power, allowing it to take on Ghost and Psychic pokemon. Return is obligatory STAB, letting it hit very hard for neutral damage. Revenge allows you to throw a base 120 power fighting attack without penalty as long as you have taken damage that turn, which is almost guranteed since you will always go last. Meanwhile, Drain Punch lets you heal while still doing major damage to the Steel and Rock pokemon that it despises. The choice between Revenge and Drain Punch is yours: if you do not have very much or any support for Regigigas, Drain Punch is the best option as you can recover your health. Otherwise, Revenge is a high benefit/low risk option that lets you either hit significantly harder or slightly weaker. Fire Punch is good for coverage with Dark and Fighting moves, allowing you to put the hurt on fire-weak pokemon such as Scizor, Ferrothorn and Venusaur. Earthquake is an alternate option if you are lacking in Ground type moves.

    Checks and Counters: While Stall allows Regigigas to utilize its attack immediately, it will still always move last. Bulky Will-o-Wispers such as Jellicent, Cofagrigus and Rotom-Wash do not fear Regigigas, the first two in particular since they will not be hit by Return. While Skarmory loses in a 1v1 situation(if it Roosts on a Drain Punch its going down), it can still come in with little to worry about otherwise and setup or phaze. Conkeldurr gets special mention here as it will Ohko with its own Drain Punch. Breloom and Scizor fear a well placed Fire Punch but otherwise Mach Punch and Superpower respectively severly dent Regigigas.
     
  31. Spoovo The Pirate

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    I think we all want this:

    Roserade @ Life Orb
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 28 HP / 252 SAtk / 228 Spd
    Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

    -Giga Drain
    -Weather Ball
    -Hidden Power Ground / Sludge Bomb
    -Growth / Shadow Ball

    If this were to happen, Venusaur can say bye bye to OU, pretty much. With the given EVs, Roserade outruns Timid Choice Scarf Starmie (when it's sunny), and the sheer power behind those attacks is bound to hurt pretty much anything that isn't a pink blob. Weather Ball is more powerful than a Flamethrower in the sun, while HP Ground has good coverage alongside it, and Sludge Bomb's simply another STAB that also has decent coverage. Growth and Giga Drain are obvious, while Shadow Ball is a surefire answer for the likes of Gengar and Espeon. :3
     
  32. Mr. N00b

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    I don't think there is any need to mention Shadow Ball here as a +2 Weatherball in Sun after the Growth boost is plenty strong enough to take out Gengar or a Dual Screening Espeon. Heck, without a Growth boost, it stills OHKOs Gengar when in sun with Weatherball.

    252SpAtk Life Orb +2 Roserade (+SAtk) Weather Ball in Sun vs 4HP/0SpDef Levitate Gengar (Neutral): 219% - 258% (574 - 676 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

    252SpAtk Life Orb Roserade (+SAtk) Weather Ball in Sun vs 4HP/0SpDef Levitate Gengar (Neutral): 109% - 129% (287 - 339 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

    252SpAtk Life Orb +2 Roserade (+SAtk) Weather Ball in Sun vs 252HP/0SpDef Espeon (Neutral): 141% - 166% (473 - 557 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

    252SpAtk Life Orb Roserade (+SAtk) Weather Ball in Sun vs 252HP/0SpDef Espeon (Neutral): 70% - 83% (236 - 279 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

    Weatherball would be Roserade's strongest hitting move when everything else is neutral, unless you opt for Solarbeam over Giga Drain for raw power over a Steady recovery. Otherwise, Roserade would be a monster to face under the sun and Venusaur and even Victreebel will not be used as sun sweepers anymore.
     
  33. Spoovo The Pirate

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    Lol, that is a good point. I wasn't bothering with calcs at the time, rather just thinking on the spot. :3
     
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    give Sableye or Spiritomb Wonder Guard

    gg
     
  35. Mr. N00b

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    Since you had one more change still technically, why not make it Earth Power instead of HP Ground? The only thing Sludge Bomb I can think of will hit is Dragon/Flying. Earth Power stops you from being walled by Heatran and has great coverage with Sun Weatherball and Giga Drain.

    EDIT: I REALLY like the idea of Roserade having Chlorophyll. A base 125 SpA being used to its fullest potential and then some with Growth and double speed under sun to patch up the base 90 Speed. Sounds really scary.
     
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    Hm, random thought, not sure if it will "break" this guy but...

    Weavile @Focus Sash
    Trait: Simple
    EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
    Adamant/Jolly Nature
    -Swords Dance/Dragon Dance
    -Ice Shard/Ice Punch
    -Night Slash
    -Low Kick/Brick Break

    1 SD and you get high attack in 1 turn. 1 DD and speed is patched up, resume to wreck with your Ice Punch/Night Slash.
    Also might work with Scizor.
     
  37. Whatzin

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    [​IMG]

    Charizard @ Life orb/Draco Plate/Whatever
    Trait: Blaze/Solar Power
    Type: Dragon/Fire
    EVs: 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    -Quiver Dance
    -Flamethrower/Fire Blast
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Roost/Focus Miss/Filler

    We're not allowed to change base stats on this thread, no one said anything about typing..:/. And wth are you looking at, Charizard is not only useable, but it can finally tell Volcarona, Moltres, and those other show-offy Fire types to sod off?! Say hi to the Reshiram of OU, infact, it's BETTER than Reshiram, because Reshiram can't QDance (it's so jelly I bet).

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    Keldeo @ Expert belt
    Trait: No Guard
    EVs: 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    -Hydro Pump
    -Focus Blast
    -Blizzard
    -Calm Mind

    No more Focus Miss or Hydro Miss, and you Icy Wind can just gtho, all those people that try to make out its good by saying "it stops DD set up" are kidding themselves (no offense, but I've tried it, and HP Ice always outclasses it) and it doesn't even touch Grass types. Now you have something to annihilate Dragons and murder grass types too. The only thing that would make this thing more monstrous would be Thunder, but I'm afraid I'm already upto my 2 changes on this pokemon >_<. You could replace CM with a HP obviously if you don't want a booster.

    [​IMG]

    Reshiram @ Wide Lens/Choice Scarf/Whatever
    Trait: Contrary
    EVs: 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    -Over Heat
    -Draco Meteor
    -Leaf Storm
    -Filler

    We want this, ok?

    [​IMG]

    Mewtwo @ Mental Herb
    Trait: Speed Boost
    EVs: 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 4 Def
    Timid Nature
    -Tail Glow
    -Psystrike
    -Aura Sphere
    -Ice Beam

    .......you said break.

    I think that's it for now, I have some more stuffs to break but yeah. I'm kind of hoping gamefreak gets some sense and implements my first suggestion, Zard needs some love :x.
     
  38. two sides of one coin

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    I'd say Secret Sword would still be superior to Focus Blast, as Keldeo's key feature is mixed wallbreaking.
     
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    Genesect @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    -Overheat
    -Agility
    -Thunderbolt
    -Ice Beam

    Relatively a fast Genesect, able to hit hard with its sole weakness neutered.
     
  40. Whatzin

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    Genesect gets Rock Polish, not Agility (not that it really matters). Also, Flash Fire is a nice idea for a bug/steel type, but I wouldn't say for Genesect. Its not really bulky, so even non-supereffective moves can hit it hard, and not having Download will really hurt it. Additionally, Over Heat instead of Flamethrower would mean that after firing off an OverHeat Genesect will almost always be forced to switch out, negating the +2 speed acquired from Agility(i.e Rock Polish) along with the Flash Fire boost. Not really liking this Genesect.