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[Final] Arceus-Fire

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Ubers Analyses' started by Dr. Doom, Apr 22, 2013.

  1. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Xinc Time for Oras?

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    You might want to slash Judgment under the fire blast/Flamethrower. Stronger than flamethrower, more reliable than fire blast, but has no burn chance.
     
  3. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Illustrate why you'd use it over Reshiram, who has a stronger attack in Blue Flare and unresisted typing with a better ability (bulk's one reason.)
    Mention Heatran as a counter too, +1 TBolt doesn't KO and it can phaze it out.
     
  4. Slowkii

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    Heatran resists and is immune to Reshiram's STABs, while Arceus-Fire can at least deal neutral damage before being E-powered or phazed out (incase of CM, when they expect SD).
     
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    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Reshiram's ability lets Blue Flare hit through Flash Fire. Also, Earth Power.
     
  6. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    Speaking of Earth Power, is it worth mentioning to catch Heatran and other stuff off guard?

    It also has pretty cool coverage alongside a Fire STAB, too. *shrugs*
     
  7. Slowkii

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    E-power isn't a STAB :x

    But anyhow, blue flare can hit through FF, with turboblaze, my bad...

    Mentions of Ice beam, earth power, surf, psychic, shadow ball, sludge bomb, focus blast, dark pulse are all missing, and they are strong moves. Signal beam exsists, but yeah. You should mention at least a couple, like Ice Beam and E-Power.
     
  8. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    A neutral Flamethrower in Sun hits for the same power or harder than most of those moves at X2. Ice Beam's probably the only really useful you mentioned, and even then Spacial Rend hits most of what it hits harder (although it does miss out on a X4 hit on Rayquaza).
     
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    ^ I was gonna say basically the same thing, though I do agree on Earth Power for its coverage against problem foes like Heatran.
     
  10. MewtwoHidden

    MewtwoHidden My Hax Makes Me Famous

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    I'd say to do a set like this:

    Arceus-Fire @ Flame Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Judgment
    - Spacial Rend
    - Recover

    This really is the Best Arceus-Fire can do
     
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    This set hits Girantina and Reshiram which is good, but increases trouble from Lugia and Ho-Oh.
     
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    MewtwoHidden My Hax Makes Me Famous

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    Yeah for Arceus-Fire to really get its best potential you're going to need a partner to take care of them first. Groudon with enough speed to outspeed Ho-Oh can take them both down pretty easily
     
  13. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    I did mention Spacial Rend in OO, but for the most part I think Thunder(bolt) is better. It lets you beat Ho-Oh, a full stop to most special Fire types. It also lets you 2HKO Kyogre on the switch at +1 (Thunder OHKOs after Rocks). The extra coverage on Reshiram is nice, although physically defensive Giratina will be 2HKOd by a +2 Fire Blast in Sun anyway.

    And Judgment is an inferior STAB to Flamethrower or Fire Blast. Flamethrower has more PP and a chance to burn, and the extra 5BP you get from Judgment won't get any OHKOs Flamethrower doesn't. Fire Blast just packs a lot more power.