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[Skeleton] Latias

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Ubers Analyses' started by MewtwoHidden, Apr 25, 2013.

  1. MewtwoHidden

    MewtwoHidden My Hax Makes Me Famous

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  2. Slowkii

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    Hey! Whenever doing an analysis, you can keep the coding till later. The analysis is overall good, just watch spelling. (E.g. "Abilty=").

    The formatting of the EVs would be "|ev= 252 HP / 60 SDef / 196 Spd|"

    And the Hidden Power would be "Hidden Power [Fire]".

    Just because there is a bread and butter set, doesn't mean you should leave other sets out! Specs is played with much different moves, so it should have a set.

    You should add Substitute over Hp Fire, just in case. To do this:

    "move3= Hidden Power [Fire]|move31=Substitute"
    To add a third slash it is "move32=" and so on.

    You don't have to do what you have done with the C&C section, you can write it in paragraph form.

    Overall, great, but it needs more sets!
     
  3. MewtwoHidden

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    I'll add a Offensive Soul Dew set. There is no point in doing a Specs set since Soul Dew gives a boost of 1.5 Satk and SDef anyways

    Done: Added the Offensive Soul Dew set
     
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  4. Slowkii

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    Yeah, great idea! I meant soul dew, not specs :x
     
  5. ZoroDark

    ZoroDark i know everything

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    Your OO is rather ... short. Latias is incredibly diverse and there are sooo many options you didn't talk about yet. A Specially Defensive set is amazing on stall, since it's the best SpecsOgre counter out there. Twave makes short work of stuff that hopes to outspeed you, and is really handy on slower teams. Reflect can be cute to beat Mewtwo, because Psystrike is annoying. Grass Knot hits Groudon and Kyogre hard. Thunder is a cute move with an unbelievable Paralysis rate which can be used as coverage move on Rain teams. Roar is incredibly handy in CM wars, and should definitely get a mention. Psyshock wrecks Tentacruel and hits Ho-Oh and Blissey harder than anything else. Again, it wins CM wars.

    Next, you should probably just lengthen your set comments a bit. Also, your C&C is messed up. Neither Genesect nor Scarf Zekrom are counters. A counter is a poke that can come in on any move, and be able to live after that (by outspeeding, or by tanking another one doesn't matter). They're both great checks, but no counters. Lugia on the other hand should go into counters. Other mentions should go to Ferrothorn in Rain (or outside of it if latias doesn't carry HP Fire), Darkceus and Specially Defensive Kyogre.
     
  6. MewtwoHidden

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    Derp I'm getting Checks & Counters mixed up

    Thought it was more like this

    counter- Beats it 100% of the time
    check- Can go either way

    Added a whole lot to the OO

    I'll add Darkceus but its hardly seen
     
  7. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    It's worth noting that the Hidden Power doesn't need its type in [brackets], like Slowkii said. Both are perfectly fine, from my experience. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with ZoroDark, in that your comments are a tad short.

    Some spelling errors have been made, particularly in the {{5gubers| prefix, which is simply easier to copy paste. Lastly, try to avoid using statements like "This is an inferior set", as others could have a different opinion. Saying that it's arguably an inferior set would be appropriate, imo.

    Other than that, I can't see anything wrong with the analysis itself (I'm no Ubers expert, so I won't be able to help much with the actual contents). :3
     
  8. Sir Teams

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    It can't set up on phazing dialga which is quite common not to mention phsyical dialga, it can set up on giratina better than dialga....
     
  9. MewtwoHidden

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    Giratina almost always carry Shadow Sneak/Dragon Tail which seriously hurts it. Physical Dialga is shit :x and phasing Dialga is rare
     
  10. ZoroDark

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    Just get rid of the "inferior set" line, because it's not even close to the truth. Their jobs are completely different, with offensive Latias being more of a hit and run poke, while still being extremely bulky. It also doesn't nearly fear Toxic as much as CM Latias does. It's definitely not inferior.

    Also, phasing Dialga is pretty common, and while BU Dialga is extremely rare, it does actually beat it. Fyi, most Giratina's (not Gira-O) don't carry Dragon Tail nor Shadow Sneak, but ResTalk, WoW and Roar.
     
  11. MewtwoHidden

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    Well on the Ladder every Giratina set I've seen carried Dragon Tail and Shadow Sneak ime (In My Experience)

    I added physical and phasing Dialga as Checks (Not Counters) as they dislike CM Set's +2 Dragon Pulses or Offensive's Draco Meteors on the switch-in
     
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  12. puregenius

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    ok so this is decent, but there are still a whole bunch of errors

    doesnt set up on dia at all except the rare scarf set and even then u cant get in on locked moves that arent dragon
    doesnt set up on palkia or reshi if they are locked into dragon, most palk dont even carry scarf nowadays

    dragon pulse should be move 2
    psyshock and sub should be slashed in next to hp fire

    take it out, wiki articles are supposed to be informative not opinionated

    incorrect, he has a really hard time against almost every common rain member
    kabutops, kingdra, palkia and ferro all give u a heap of trouble assuming rain is up

    should be in checks and counters or general
    take the smiley out

    too busy to finish
    revise the bottom half as well
     
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  13. Spoovo The Pirate

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    ^ Dude, calm down. We're trying to encourage analysis writing, not scare them off with harsh, destructive criticism. =/

    While your points may be valid, you're going the wrong way about making them. It's not on the wiki yet, so a smiley face really does not matter right now (for example).
     
  14. MewtwoHidden

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    Vs D Pulse Dialga
    Battle between ______ and MewtwoHidd3n started!

    Tier: Wifi Ubers
    Mode: Singles
    Rule: Unrated
    Rule: Sleep Clause
    Rule: Species Clause
    Rule: Wifi Battle
    Rule: Self-KO Clause

    Your team: Darkrai / Groudon / Latias / Genesect / Dialga / Arceus-Ghost
    Opponent's team: Dialga / Mewtwo / Groudon / Ditto / Arceus / Giratina-O

    ______ sent out Dialga!
    MewtwoHidd3n sent out Latias!
    The foe's Dialga is exerting its Pressure!
    MewtwoHidd3n: ok meteor

    Start of turn 1
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 188 HP! (51% of its health)

    Latias used Roost!
    Latias landed on the ground!
    Latias regained health!

    Start of turn 2
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 198 HP! (54% of its health)

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Start of turn 3
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 128 HP! (35% of its health)

    Latias used Roost!
    Latias landed on the ground!
    Latias regained health!

    Start of turn 4
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 138 HP! (37% of its health)

    Latias used Roost!
    Latias landed on the ground!
    Latias regained health!

    [Masters]Mysterion is watching the battle.

    Start of turn 5
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 134 HP! (36% of its health)
    Belvedair is watching the battle.

    Latias used Roost!
    Latias landed on the ground!
    Latias regained health!

    Start of turn 6
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 132 HP! (36% of its health)

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Start of turn 7
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 102 HP! (28% of its health)

    Latias used Roost!
    Latias landed on the ground!
    Latias regained health!
    Belvedair: mysterion du bastard

    Start of turn 8
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 102 HP! (28% of its health)

    Latias used Roost!
    Latias landed on the ground!
    Latias regained health!
    [Masters]Mysterion: lmao

    Start of turn 9
    The foe's Dialga used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    A critical hit!
    Latias lost 334 HP! (91% of its health)
    Latias fainted!

    Belvedair: immer nur am stalken und teams klauen aww
    Belvedair stopped watching the battle.
    MewtwoHidd3n: Well we've seen enough
    [Masters]Mysterion stopped watching the battle.
    MewtwoHidd3n: This log proves that Latias sets up on D pulse :3
    As you see I was setting up easily until the crit