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[BW2] Wifi NU - Usage stats of April 2013

Discussion in 'Gen 5 NU' started by Dr. Doom, May 1, 2013.

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  1. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Regular Stats
    # 1 - Sawk (15.62 %)
    # 2 - Samurott (13.86 %)
    # 3 - Mesprit (13.81 %)
    # 4 - Skuntank (11.38 %)
    # 5 - Musharna (11.05 %)
    # 6 - Piloswine (9.60 %)
    # 7 - Alomomola (9.42 %)
    # 8 - Misdreavus (9.06 %)
    # 9 - Eelektross (9.03 %)
    # 10 - Haunter (8.82 %)
    # 11 - Exeggutor (8.34 %)
    # 12 - Klinklang (8.24 %)
    # 13 - Pinsir (8.15 %)
    # 14 - Torkoal (8.14 %)
    # 15 - Wartortle (7.64 %)
    # 16 - Charizard (7.56 %)
    # 17 - Armaldo (7.44 %)
    # 18 - Emboar (6.79 %)
    # 19 - Gurdurr (6.46 %)
    # 20 - Roselia (6.34 %)
    # 21 - Kadabra (6.34 %)
    # 22 - Vileplume (6.30 %)
    # 23 - Drifblim (6.15 %)
    # 24 - Tangela (5.89 %)
    # 25 - Tauros (5.89 %)
    # 26 - Golem (5.82 %)
    # 27 - Regirock (5.72 %)
    # 28 - Seismitoad (5.68 %)
    # 29 - Lickilicky (5.64 %)
    # 30 - Kangaskhan (5.63 %)
    # 31 - Zangoose (5.50 %)
    # 32 - Rotom-S (5.44 %)
    # 33 - Weezing (5.23 %)
    # 34 - Rhydon (5.23 %)
    # 35 - Serperior (5.07 %)
    # 36 - Scyther (5.06 %)
    # 37 - Altaria (5.06 %)
    # 38 - Cacturne (4.94 %)
    # 39 - Electrode (4.85 %)
    # 40 - Electabuzz (4.54 %)
    # 41 - Zebstrika (4.51 %)
    # 42 - Liepard (4.47 %)
    # 43 - Sawsbuck (4.46 %)
    # 44 - Persian (4.28 %)
    # 45 - Regice (4.23 %)
    # 46 - Glaceon (4.22 %)
    # 47 - Rapidash (4.12 %)
    # 48 - Camerupt (4.11 %)
    # 49 - Electivire (3.91 %)
    # 50 - Ninjask (3.91 %)
    # 51 - Audino (3.85 %)
    # 52 - Torterra (3.77 %)
    # 53 - Stunfisk (3.75 %)
    # 54 - Leafeon (3.72 %)
    # 55 - Floatzel (3.70 %)
    # 56 - Simipour (3.54 %)
    # 57 - Articuno (3.44 %)
    # 58 - Crawdaunt (3.30 %)
    # 59 - Ampharos (3.24 %)
    # 60 - Rotom-F (3.22 %)
    # 61 - Archeops (3.18 %)
    # 62 - Marowak (3.16 %)
    # 63 - Garbodor (3.14 %)
    # 64 - Poliwrath (3.09 %)
    # 65 - Quagsire (3.06 %)
    # 66 - Magmar (3.04 %)
    # 67 - Hariyama (3.01 %)
    # 68 - Bouffalant (2.99 %)
    # 69 - Swoobat (2.98 %)
    # 70 - Jumpluff (2.92 %)
    # 71 - Rampardos (2.84 %)
    # 72 - Beheeyem (2.81 %)
    # 73 - Bastiodon (2.79 %)
    # 74 - Ditto (2.73 %)
    # 75 - Carracosta (2.70 %)
    # 76 - Linoone (2.67 %)
    # 77 - Combusken (2.63 %)
    # 78 - Ursaring (2.61 %)
    # 79 - Whimsicott (2.59 %)
    # 80 - Probopass (2.59 %)
    # 81 - Muk (2.57 %)
    # 82 - Duosion (2.55 %)
    # 83 - Sneasel (2.50 %)
    # 84 - Throh (2.41 %)
    # 85 - Natu (2.38 %)
    # 86 - Butterfree (2.32 %)
    # 87 - Pikachu (2.32 %)
    # 88 - Metang (2.32 %)
    # 89 - Shuckle (2.31 %)
    # 90 - Raichu (2.22 %)
    # 91 - Grumpig (2.18 %)
    # 92 - Dodrio (2.17 %)
    # 93 - Meganium (2.14 %)
    # 94 - Tentacool (2.12 %)
    # 95 - Volbeat (2.08 %)
    # 96 - Dragonair (2.03 %)
    # 97 - Mr. Mime (1.98 %)
    # 98 - Lapras (1.95 %)
    # 99 - Arbok (1.95 %)
    # 100 - Flareon (1.94 %)
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    Ranked Stats
    1. Mesprit 18.852 7109
    2. Sawk 17.9822 6781
    3. Samurott 17.0196 6418
    4. Skuntank 14.2272 5365
    5. Musharna 13.1373 4954
    6. Piloswine 12.0182 4532
    7. Alomomola 10.748 4053
    8. Misdreavus 10.7427 4051
    9. Klinklang 10.2468 3864
    10. Eelektross 9.77207 3685
    11. Haunter 9.28413 3501
    12. Wartortle 9.05342 3414
    13. Exeggutor 8.93144 3368
    14. Gurdurr 8.67951 3273
    15. Emboar 8.44084 3183
    16. Vileplume 8.3056 3132
    17. Torkoal 8.27112 3119
    18. Pinsir 7.74606 2921
    19. Roselia 7.71954 2911
    20. Armaldo 7.62142 2874
    21. Charizard 6.93724 2616
    22. Sawsbuck 6.91338 2607
    23. Kangaskhan 6.65084 2508
    24. Kadabra 6.58985 2485
    25. Rhydon 6.56864 2477
    26. Lickilicky 6.50764 2454
    27. Rotom-S 6.48113 2444
    28. Tangela 6.41218 2418
    29. Drifblim 6.31671 2382
    30. Tauros 6.2239 2347
    31. Regirock 6.13108 2312
    32. Seismitoad 6.05418 2283
    33. Golem 6.05153 2282
    34. Scyther 5.80225 2188
    35. Zangoose 5.54767 2092
    36. Weezing 5.24006 1976
    37. Serperior 5.17907 1953
    38. Electrode 5.11277 1928
    39. Cacturne 4.93775 1862
    40. Glaceon 4.86615 1835
    41. Liepard 4.85289 1830
    42. Electivire 4.80516 1812
    43. Zebstrika 4.68582 1767
    44. Electabuzz 4.64074 1750
    45. Simipour 4.55323 1717
    46. Stunfisk 4.47102 1686
    47. Camerupt 4.38616 1654
    48. Altaria 4.21114 1588
    49. Regice 3.99634 1507
    50. Poliwrath 3.91148 1475
    51. Bouffalant 3.89822 1470
    52. Rotom-F 3.74176 1411
    53. Audino 3.67016 1384
    54. Torterra 3.56674 1345
    55. Rapidash 3.55878 1342
    56. Articuno 3.53757 1334
    57. Floatzel 3.51636 1326
    58. Ninjask 3.47393 1310
    59. Hariyama 3.33603 1258
    60. Crawdaunt 3.33338 1257
    61. Archeops 3.32807 1255
    62. Magmar 3.28034 1237
    63. Persian 3.13184 1181
    64. Carracosta 3.11327 1174
    65. Quagsire 3.10267 1170
    66. Garbodor 3.0841 1163
    67. Bastiodon 2.90378 1095
    68. Whimsicott 2.90113 1094
    69. Linoone 2.65185 1000
    70. Combusken 2.64124 996
    71. Ampharos 2.62799 991
    72. Rampardos 2.58821 976
    73. Throh 2.54047 958
    74. Swoobat 2.52987 954
    75. Tentacool 2.50865 946
    76. Natu 2.48213 936
    77. Jumpluff 2.48213 936
    78. Metang 2.47153 932
    79. Duosion 2.46622 930
    80. Ditto 2.42379 914
    81. Leafeon 2.3681 893
    82. Heatmor 2.31507 873
    83. Marowak 2.30711 870
    84. Grumpig 2.29916 867
    85. Ursaring 2.29385 865
    86. Probopass 2.25673 851
    87. Beheeyem 2.18513 824
    88. Muk 2.15065 811
    89. Dodrio 2.08966 788
    90. Munchlax 2.08436 786
    91. Mandibuzz 2.04193 770
    92. Dragonair 1.96767 742
    93. Basculin 1.95176 736
    94. Lampent 1.82447 688
    95. Frillish 1.82182 687
    96. Slaking 1.81387 684
    97. Swanna 1.80591 681
    98. Raichu 1.80061 679
    99. Victreebel 1.72105 649
    100. Butterfree 1.7131 646
    101. Volbeat 1.66536 628
    102. Flareon 1.63354 616

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    Anything surprising? Pokemon you feel should've got more/less use than they did?
     
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  2. Liarliarpantsonfire

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    Yaaaaay Piloswine went up! :D Finally it gets the usage it deserved.
     
  3. Big Bad Booty Daddy

    Big Bad Booty Daddy Big Poppa Pump

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    I thought I already told xdevo this, but looks like I have to tell people again. Let Tier Leaders post usage stats, it's our job.

    But w.e, Klinklang is the best Pokemon in NU and seems to be rising somewhat, no love for Gothorita, such a great Pokemon, a bit situational but it works wonders man.

    Armaldo. Why do people use it. Stop that.

    Shit Piloswine is getting used a lot, didn't think it was good enough to be used more than Alomomola. That's pretty interesting.
     
  4. ZoroDark

    ZoroDark i know everything

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    Mother of God Piloswine has been used a lot. I've personally used it on my latest team, and while it certainly is a good rocker, I think it's a little overhyped at the moment. Cool to see Klinklang finally getting the usage it deserves. I don't really understand the usage of Eelektross. Sure it hits hard, and it'll cause offensive teams to sac something in order to weaken it, but that's about it. Curious to see how the tier drops will change this around next month!
     
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  5. pokemonnerd

    pokemonnerd Only uso listens to pnerd. Devo too. Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    Hey. I like it when people do my job. It means people are motivated to actually try and promote some discussion. Well, except when they make suspect discussions at least.

    Piloswine does one thing extremely well: stay alive long enough to ensure rocks can be up for a long time during a match. It's able to tank massive hits and can deal some good damage back, and unlike Golem it can usually stay around for more than 3 turns and still be useful.

    And that's really why you see lots of other stuff like Armaldo and Wartortle; a lot of otherwise incredibly strong pokemon - Scyther, Charizard - are completely nerfed to hell and back by rocks. Rotom-S, Altaria and Regice would kill for better spinners in the tier as well. Eelektross and Weezing would love switching in without taking damage. It still amazes me how much people really overlook how the ease of setting rocks really predetermine how a metagame will look like.

    Everything else seems normal, really. Haunter getting the love it deserves is nice. It'll be interesting to see how the top changes with the newcomers(and returning powerhouses - welcome back Swellow!).
     
  6. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    One thing that hasn't surprised me thus far is the abundance of LU dropouts in teams. I ran into a guy who had a full team of them. xD
     
  7. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    I wasn't trying to steal your thudner or anything, I just thought you guys would be busy with the new tier changes, which are some of the biggest ever (at least for NU).

    Glad to see Klinklang in the top 10, but seriously, what's so great about Musharna? Why is that number 5?
     
  8. Afro Smash

    Afro Smash Mfw I'm living the Australian dream

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    if you dont run a dark type, or some hard body phazers, you lose to it. its very easy to win with musharna on team match up alone.
     
  9. Dzi

    Dzi So Nyuh Shi Dae

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    42. Electivire 4.80516 1812
    43. Zebstrika 4.68582 1767
    44. Electabuzz 4.64074 1750 >> Electric types enjoying each other's company. :3

    50. Poliwrath 3.91148 1475 >> The only poke rising to LU is #50 on ranked spot wth. This thing is so underrated in NU, glad to see it going to LU since Poliwrath really deserves this.

    51. Bouffalant 3.89822 1470 >> After losing to Meep's Boufallant team countless times on the ladder, I have to say this thing is underrated as well. It can set up on commonly used walls like Alomomola and Tangela.

    60. Crawdaunt 3.33338 1257 >> Same case with Bouffalant. It can set up on most walls (bar Tangela/Vileplume but I have seen mixed Crawdaunt with Ice Beam) and start sweeping through your team. Very underrated imo.

    10. Eelektross 9.77207 3685 >> I totally agree with ZoroDark. Yes, Eelektross hits very hard and it has a nice coverage but it gets 2HKOd by most of the attackers in the tier. I want to see how Manectric's presence will affect the usage of Eelektross and the rest of the Electric types.

    List needs more Zweilous/Fraxure imo.

    Gurdurr not in Top 10. :(
     
  10. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    I reckon Manectric's presence will ruin every other Electric-type in the tier except for EVire, with Zebstrika suffering the most due to Manectric stealing its niche. Zebby will have to run Sap Sipper now, most likely. :(
     
  11. MetalGross

    MetalGross gems…

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    The Piloswine love <3.
    I use it all the time lately but 6th in ranked seems a bit crazy. I find it sad that Armaldo is used more than Sawsbuck. The tier changes are gonna affect this list a lot I think.
    Also Sap Sipper Zebstrika is great, switching in to unexpected Sleep Powderers and killing them/gaining momentum.
     
  12. AmourShipper

    AmourShipper meh i'm bored

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    Mesprit again rules the NU tier as it is so amazing. Keep it up.

    Samurott, Sawk, and Skuntank fall shortly behind.

    Fuck Armaldo being used. Wartortle might not be good but it's way better than damn Armaldo, use that if you really want a spinner, kids.

    Piloswine rules and is topping it, keep it up.

    Klinklang is so good, hopefully Quagsire gets used more to stop this beast from destroying teams.

    ALL HAIL STUNFISK
     
  13. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    I think people use Armaldo instead of Torkoal and Wartortle because it actually packs a fair punch, so it can do some damage once it's done spinning.
     
  14. Dzi

    Dzi So Nyuh Shi Dae

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    Yea is has a better Attack stat compared to Wartortle and Torkoal. It can also hit Psychic types with its STAB X-Scissor. And.. thats about it.

    What I really hate about Armaldo is that Bug/Rock is a horrible typing defensively. That typing makes Armaldo weak from the very common Water and Steel type attacks. It also leaves it weak against Rock type moves and most leads like Golem and Rhydon usually carries Rock Blast. Bug typing makes it weak to the Stealth Rock that it will spin out so it needs to take a damage first before getting its job done. Another thing is that it can't do any damage from the common spin blockers like Misdreavus and Drifblim. The only thing that Armaldo can do is hit Drifblim with Rock Blast but before he can do that, he will take a Will-o-Wisp in the face, hence, making Drifblim's job easier. Torkoal can at least take a Will-o-Wisp and a few Shadow Balls and hit back with Yawn to force Misdreavus out. Wartortle has access to Foresight so it can spin freely even against Ghost types.

    So yea. Its NU for a reason but really, even in NU its sucks. :\
     
  15. Xdevo

    Xdevo Phrasing Super Moderator Tour Director Super Moderator Tour Director

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    The thing is, on an offensive team, Torkoal and Wartortle suck away momentum. Armaldo has a very nice 125 Atk to not be set-up bait, while Wartortle has absolutely no offensive presence. Switching in Wartortle on an offensive team destroys any momentum you may have built up. Armaldo is also more useful if the opponent happens to not have a ghost-type. Overall, if you are running an offensive team with like Charizard, Armaldo is a better choice, even if it is a worse spinner.
     
  16. User Name

    User Name Life is a maze

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    Random thought; while reading the Smog (I think it was the Smog anyways) I came across an article of someone using a Shell Smash Torkoal with surprisingly effective results (IIRC, 2HKOing Golem was pretty crucial); how would that set fare in an offensive team?
    To me, it's certainly one of the more intriguing sets, at least.
     
  17. Big Bad Booty Daddy

    Big Bad Booty Daddy Big Poppa Pump

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    Shell Smash Torkoal is a very... interesting Pokemon. If EV'd correctly you can essentially outspeed and then OHKO basically all Misdreavus sets with a Fire Blast. The problem is it suffers from... well a bit of 4 moveslot syndrome, like most set-up Pokes do. You have to run Shell Smash + Rapid Spin, which is what the set is for. Fire Blast or Flamethrower is a clear STAB move, you have the choice to run Earth Power, HP Grass. Or any other Hidden Power that benefits your team. On an offensive team, it'd be weird because Torkoal on an offensive team would probably be used for Rocks + Spinning, a Mono-attacking set with only a Fire-type STAB could be used but with the bulky Water-type Pokemon in the tier, not sure how well that would do.

    Lastly, Torkoal isn't able to outspeed Pokemon with 90 Base Speed with a +Speed nature after a Shell Smash, making it very hard to use effectively since your opponent could simply send out a Pokemon that is 90+ base Speed, and then revenge. Since after a Shell Smash (without White Herb as your item) and the fact that Torkoal usually has to maximize its offensive potential when running this set to become effective, it's not very hard to revenge. And let's be real, Torkoal doesn't have a lot of time to set up a Shell Smash with all the new Special threats in the new meta, plus there are enough Ground and Rock-type Pokemon setting up Stealth Rocks in the game anyways, almost every Ground-type move is a 2HKO.



    Buuuuut anyways, my opinion on the new stuff. It's too late for me to evaluate but I don't think anything's broken, I might have to look into Houndoom and use it a bit more until I have my final thoughts. I'm honestly surprised nobody is talking about the new meta and how almost every team is Hyper Offensive, since the combination of Physical threats like Swellow, Primeape, and Drapion paired up with new Special threats like Houndoom, Manectric, and Gardevoir almost gets rid of stall as a viable playstyle in NU. And I'm sure spinner usage might increase a bit due to Swellow and Houndoom being weak to rocks, so it just gets that much harder.
     
  18. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    As far as I'm concerned, the death of stall is a good thing. Tell me you honestly enjoy playing against someone going Protect, Toxic, Protect, Recovery Move, Phazing move, over and over again.
     
  19. Dzi

    Dzi So Nyuh Shi Dae

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    Yes I agree that stall is really annoying especially in NU where have really bulky Eviolite abusers and a reliable spin blocker in Misdreavus plus the spinners are not so reliable. I have my own stall team before the drops and it got a lot of rage quits and stuff. Its definitely a force to be reckoned with when used well. :3

    Well, the presence of stall adds more diversity to the tier. It adjusts your team against different play styles which is definitely as plus. From the drops last round, I was already expecting the tier's play style to change drastically from Bulky Offense to almost Hyper Offense with the drops all very offensively-inclined. And I just find facing the same play style over and over again on the ladder kinda makes the tier boring. So maybe the 'death' of stall is not generally a 'good thing' but that's just my opinion.

    On a different topic, Houndoom is not so broken than what I expected. Yes it can trap almost every Psychic/Ghost type in the tier but in a tier where Sawk is used very often, Houndoom kinda struggles to score some KOs after doing its job, to trap. Every fighting type in the tier from Sawk, Primeape, Gurdurr all the way down to Machoke and Throh, they can all check Houndoom and score an easy KO. And since Houndoom usually runs 3 dark type moves namely Pursuit, Crunch and Sucker Punch, fighting types switching into any of those attacks will guarantee a sure KO on the next turn or force Houndoom out. Apart from that, Houndoom's fire typing gives it weakness to Stealth Rock which is very common in NU where ground types are almost on every team. Houndoom also gives more weakness to your team (Ground, Rock, Water and Fighting - all very common attack types in the tier) compared to other dark type trappers like Skuntank (weak to Ground types only). Also its frailer compared to Skuntank. But what I like most about Houndoom is it gives your team 2 immunities which is good.
     
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  20. Incon

    Incon I feel incapable of seeing the end.

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    I have to disagree with you here. It certainly is annoying to play, but that is the point. I believe the lack of stall teams is a bad thing. A healthy tier is a one where any playstyle is viable, and currently it is very hard to create a successful stall team. With that said, offensive teams are definitely taking over mainly due to the many offensive drops we received last round. However, I don't think we have an unbalanced tier. We simply have a tier that has not adjusted yet. The large number of drops is obviously the cause for this. On to specifics, I haven't had a problem facing Houndoom, personally - it has plenty of checks and its frailty makes it a lot easier to take down. I've been using Gardevoir to much success lately. Cm + Three attacks is really strong right now. She has tough competition from Mesprit though. The tier is rather enjoyable right now.

    On a side note, why is Vileplume getting so much use lately? Maybe it's because I've been gone for a little but I don't remember her being a very stellar mon.
     
  21. Spoovo The Pirate

    Spoovo The Pirate Meep! Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    I'd imagine that's because of its versatility. She doesn't take special hits as well as Roselia, but isn't forced to use Eviolite, and tanks physical hits a LOT better. The Grass/Poison typing is also highly useful right now, resisting common Fighting and Water moves while also absorbing Toxic Spikes.

    Also, good to see you back, Incon. Haven't seen you in ages. xD

    Oh, and I'm also happy that stall is more or less dead. I fucking hate fighting stall teams.
     
  22. Liarliarpantsonfire

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    I've been using Vileplume :P It checks Banded Sawk which is just a pain to face otherwise. Also has good synergy with Regirock, who's kinda useful as it can spread paralysis and setup Rocks. I also love Resting up to full HP with Regirock and then going to Vileplume for the Aromatherapy. If you don't have some defensive core you're gonna have a hard time in NU. Three or even four sweepers + a defense core seems to work out the best.
     
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