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[Final] Tangela

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    ==General==
    Tangela is one of the best physical walls you can find in the Wifi NU tier as it can take hits even from NU's hardest hitters like {{5gnu|Sawk}}, {{5gnu|Klinklang}} and {{5gnu|Gurdurr}}. Access to [[Eviolite]] and amazing 115 base Defense stat is a huge blessing already for Tangela but what sets it apart from other Eviolite abusers like {{5gnu|Wartortle}} or {{5gnu|Roselia}} is its ability, [[Regenerator]]. Tangela has a usable 100 base Special attack which isn't bad at all

    However, 40 base Special Defense makes Tangela very weak to almost every special moves in NU. Tangela's 60 base Speed makes it slower to the other premier walls in NU like {{5gnu|Misdreavus}} and even {{5gnu|Togetic}}. Therefore, Tangela struggles to fit into most offensive teams. Tangela is somehow outclassed by the other bulky grass types in the tier namely, {{5gnu|Roselia}} as it can set up [[Spikes]] and [[Toxic Spikes]] easily and tank special hits at the same time. {{5gnu|Vileplume}}, as it has [[Effect Spore]] ability that might come in handy on some crucial parts of the game plus Vileplume doesn't need to use Eviolite for bulk hence it uses [[Leftovers]] or [[Black Sludge]]. {{5gnu|Exeggutor}} outclasses Tangela as well as its part Psychic typing gives some key resistances (and some weakness as well) and its [[Harvest]] ability is really a huge asset. Even with these flaws, Tangela's ability to block almost every physically offensive move in the tier makes it a good candidate for a team slot on any stall or bulky offense team.

    ==Physical Wall==
    {{set
    |name=Physical Wall
    |pkmn=Tangela
    |item=Eviolite
    |ability=Regenerator
    |nature=Bold
    |ev=248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
    |move1=Giga Drain
    |move2=Leech Seed
    |move3=Sleep Powder
    |move31=Synthesis
    |move4=Hidden Power Ice
    |move41=Hidden Power Fire}}

    This is what Tangela does best; a physically defensive set that can take almost every physical hit in Wifi NU. [[Eviolite]] increases Tangela's very good Defense and poor Special Defense to make its job of tanking hits easier. [[Regenerator]] gives Tangela the chance to regain some HP when switching out and is a good support for [[Leech Seed]] and [[Giga Drain]]. The recommended evs spread together with Bold nature is focused on HP and Defense to let Tangela take as much hits as possible but Tangela can use a faster spread like 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe to outspeed {{5gnu|Alomomola}} and {{5gnu|Rhydon}}. A specially defensive spread with 248 HP / 16 Def / 244 SDef and Bold nature is also viable for tanking hits like [[Ice Beam]] from {{5gnu|Samurott}} but tanking hits from the physical side is what Tangela does best.

    Giga Drain is the main STAB move and is usually recommended over [[Energy Ball]] or [[Grass Knot]] because of its ability to regain some HP. Leech Seed is one of the most important moves for this set to work because it gives Tangela is needed HP and takes away the opponent's HP at the same time. Third slot is a choice between [[Sleep Powder]] and [[Synthesis]]. Sleep Powder is usually the recommended move as it gives Tangela the chance to make one of the opponent's pokemon fall asleep. Synthesis on the other hand gives Tangela more HP if you're not yet convinced with the Giga Drain + Leech Seed combination. [[Knock Off]] although not placed on the set itself is a good support move as it removes the items of Tangela's common switch ins like {{5gnu|Sawsbuck}}. [[Stun Spore]] and [[Toxic]] are also another good support moves that can cripple common switch ins like {{5gnu|Mesprit}} and {{5gnu|Gardevoir}}. Fourth slot is a choice between two coverage moves, [[Hidden Power Ice]] and [[Hidden Power Fire]]. Hidden Power Ice hits grass types like {{5gnu|Roselia}} and {{5gnu|Meganium}} super effectively as well as flying types like {{5gnu|Swellow}} and {{5gnu|Rotom-S}} super effectively. It also hits Ground types which Giga Drain can handle. Hidden Power Fire gives Tangela the chance to hit Steel types most notably {{5gnu|Klinklang}} and gain full momentum. It also hits grass types like what Hidden Power Ice do.

    ==Bulky Offensive==
    {{set
    |name=Bulky Offensive
    |pkmn=Tangela
    |item=Eviolite
    |ability=Regenerator
    |nature=Modest
    |ev=248 HP / 252 SAtk / 8 SDef
    |move1=Leaf Storm
    |move2=Hidden Power Ice
    |move21=Hidden Power Fire
    |move3=Sludge Bomb
    |move31=Stun Spore
    |move32=Synthesis
    |move4=Sleep Powder}}

    This functions almost the same as the first set. It can come into common physical attackers like {{5gnu|Sawk}} and {{5gnu|Zangoose}} but what makes this set more useful it that it gives Tangela the chance to hit back using its 100 base Special Attack and a good special move pool. [[Eviolite]] is still the recommended item for this set as it gives Tangela more bulk to take hits. [[Life Orb]] is a nice alternative if you feel that giving this Tangela set with Eviolite is not powerful enough. The ability in this set is still the same, [[Regenerator]], since it gives Tangela the chance to regain its HP from Life Orb recoil and is a good support for [[Synthesis]] for regaining some HP. The evs spread together with Modest nature compared to the first set focuses on HP for some bulk and Special Attack for the much needed power. A spread that gives Tangela less HP but more Speed is viable but Tangela is known for its ability to take some hits.

    [[Leaf Storm]] is now preferred STAB move over [[Giga Drain]] on this set because the main goal of this set is to take a hit then hit back with a powerful move and switch out to regain some HP back. It makes Tangela somehow a hit and run pokemon. [[Hidden Power Ice]] hits grass types like {{5gnu|Roselia}} and {{5gnu|Meganium}} super effectively as well as flying types like {{5gnu|Swellow}} and {{5gnu|Rotom-S}} supper effectively. It also hits Ground types which Giga Drain can handle. [[Hidden Power Fire]] gives Tangela the chance to hit Steel types most notably {{5gnu|Klinklang}} and gain full momentum. It also hits grass types like what Hidden Power Ice do. Third slot is a choice between three different moves. [[Sludge Bomb]] gives more coverage for to hit the grass types if you feel the power of Hidden Power Ice or Hidden Power Fire is kinda weak. [[Stun Spore]] or [[Toxic]] to a lesser extent cripples common switch ins for Tangela. Synthesis gives Tangela the HP it needs to take a hit. Surprisingly, [[Power Swap]] is a good support move for this set as it functions almost the same as [[Haze]] but it does not only remove boosts from Pokemon such as {{5gnu|Musharna}}, {{5gnu|Gurdurr}} and K{{5gnu|Klinklang}} but you also you steal the boosts for yourself. [[Sleep Powder]] is very important for this set because it gives Tangela the chance to make one of the opponent's pokemon fall asleep.

    ==Other Options==
    Tangela has a few options it can abuse apart from the sets above. Tangela can surprisingly be a potent sweeper when it is under Sun because of its other ability, [[Chlorophyll]]. A set with [[Growth]] to increase its Special attack, [[SolarBeam]] and 2 other coverage moves can surprisingly KO a lot of teams. SubSeed set is viable as well but Tangela's unimpressive speed will give this set some problems. Other usable moves are [[Reflect]], [[Amnesia]], ResTalk, [[Swagger]] + [[Psych Up]], [[Pain Split]] and [[Sunny Day]] but other pokemon usually do a better job at using these moves. Finally, Tangela's access to [[Swords Dance]] can give it a chance to run a SD+3 attacks or Sub+SD set but its poor Speed and Attack stat really gives Tangela some problems.

    ==Checks and Counters==
    Tangela's grass typing already gives it weakness to the very common Fire, Ice, Flying, Poison and Bug type attacks. [[Sap Sipper]] users like {{5gnu|Sawsbuck}}, {{5gnu|Boufallant}} and {{5gnu|Girafarig}} are on of your best answers for Tangela as most of its sets abuse grass type moves. Tangela unfortunately cannot wall every physical move in the tier, it struggles from the Fire types like {{5gnu|Emboar}} and {{5gnu|Rapidash}} who can use [[Flare Blitz]] and KO Tangela easily. It also struggles from tanking Flying type attacks like Guts boosted {{5gnu|Swellow}}'s STAB [[Brave Bird]] and [[Choice Scarf]] {{5gnu|Pinsir's}} STAB [[X-Scissor]]. Any special attacker can give Tangela nightmares because of its weak Special Defense stat so things like {{5gnu|Rotom-S}},{{5gnu| Rotom-F}}, {{5gnu|Vileplume}} and Tangela can switch in easily, use their STAB attacks and KO Tangela without a problem. {{5gnu|Natu}} surprisingly blocks Leech Seed, Sleep Power and Stun Spore and shrug off any damage that Tangela gives with [[Roost]]. Status moves like [[Toxic]] can cripple Tangela and prevent it from staying on the feild for too long. Finally, {{5gnu|Magmar}} is arguably the best counter for Tangela as it can take Sleep Powder because of [[Vital Spirit]] and hit hard with a powerful [[Fire Blast]] or [[Flamethrower]].

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    Tangela is so cute. >:3

    ==General==:
    *Tangela is one of the best physical walls you can find in the Wifi NU tier as it can take hits even from NU's hardest hitters like Sawk, Klinklang and Gurdurr.
    *Access to Eviolite and amazing 115 base Defense stat is a huge blessing already for Tangela but what sets it apart from other Eviolite abusers like Wartortle or Roselia is its ability, Regenerator.
    *Tangela has a usable 100 base Special attack which isn't bad at all
    *However, 40 base Special Defense makes Tangela very weak to almost every special moves in NU.
    *Tangela's 60 base Speed makes it slower to the other premier walls in NU like Misdreavus and even Togetic. Therefore, Tangela struggles to fit into most offensive teams.
    *Tangela is somehow outclassed by the other bulky grass types in the tier namely, Roselia as it can set up Spikes and Toxic Spikes easily and tank special hits at the same time. Vileplume, as it has Effect Spore ability that might come in handy on some crucial parts of the game plus Vileplume doesn't need to use Eviolite for bulk hence it uses Leftovers or Black Sludge. Exeggutor outclasses Tangela as well as its part Psychic typing gives some key resistances (and some weakness as well) and its Harvest ability is really a huge asset.
    *Even with these flaws, Tangela's ability to block almost every physically offensive move in the tier makes it a good candidate for a team slot on any stall or bulky offense team.

    ==Set 1(Physical Wall)==:
    Tangela @ Eviolite
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain
    - Leech Seed
    - Sleep Powder / Synthesis
    - Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Fire]

    Set Comments:
    *This is what Tangela does best; a physically defensive set that can take almost every physical hit in Wifi NU.
    *Eviolite increases Tangela's very good Defense and poor Special Defense to make its job of tanking hits easier.
    *Regenerator gives Tangela the chance to regain some HP when switching out and is a good support for Leech Seed and Giga Drain.
    *The recommended evs spread together with Bold nature is focused on HP and Defense to let Tangela take as much hits as possible but Tangela can use a faster spread like 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe to outspeed Alomomola, Rhydon and other bulky stuff. A specially defensive spread with 248 HP / 16 Def / 244 SDef and Bold nature is also viable for tanking hits from the likes of Special Samurott but tanking hits from the physical side is what Tangela does best.
    *Giga Drain is the main STAB move and is usually recommended over Energy Ball or Grass Knot because of its ability to regain some HP.
    *Leech Seed is one of the most important moves for this set to work because it gives Tangela is needed HP and takes away the opponent's HP at the same time.
    *Third slot is a choice between Sleep Powder and Synthesis. Sleep Powder is usually the recommended move as it gives Tangela the chance to make one of the opponent's pokemon fall asleep. Synthesis on the other hand gives Tangela more HP if you're not yet convinced with the Giga Drain+Leech Seed combination. Knock Off although not placed on the set itself is a good support move as it removes the items of Tangela's common switch ins like Sawsbuck. Stun Spore and Toxic are also another good support moves that can cripple common switch ins like Mesprit and Gardevoir.
    *Fourth slot is a choice between two coverage moves, Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Fire. Hidden Power Ice hits grass types like Roselia and Meganiu super effectively as well as flying types like Swellow and Rotom-S supper effectively. It also hits Ground types which Giga Drain can handle. Hidden Power Fire gives Tangela the chance to hit Steel types most notably Klinklang and gain full momentum. It also hits grass types like what Hidden Power Ice do.

    ==Set 2(Bulky Offensive)==:
    Tangela @ Eviolite
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SAtk / 8 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Leaf Storm
    - Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Sludge Bomb / Stun Spore / Synthesis
    - Sleep Powder

    Set Comments:
    *This functions almost the same as the first set. It can come into common physical attackers like Sawk and Zangoose but what makes this set more useful it that it gives Tangela the chance to hit back using its 100 base Special Attack and a good special move pool.
    *Eviolite is still the recommended item for this set as it gives Tangela more bulk to take hits. Life Orb is a nice alternative if you feel that giving this Tangela set with Eviolite is not powerful enough.
    *The ability in this set is still the same, Regenerator, since it gives Tangela the chance to regain its HP from Life Orb recoil and is a good support for Synthesis for regaining some HP.
    *The evs spread together with Modest nature compared to the first set focuses on HP for some bulk and Special Attack for the much needed power. A spread that gives Tangela less HP but more Speed is viable but Tangela is known for its ability to take some hits.
    *Leaf Storm is now preferred STAB move over Giga Drain on this set because the main goal of this set is to take a hit then hit back with a powerful move and switch out to regain some HP back. It makes Tangela somehow a hit and run pokemon.
    *Hidden Power Ice hits grass types like Roselia and Meganium super effectively as well as flying types like Swellow and Rotom-S supper effectively. It also hits Ground types which Giga Drain can handle. Hidden Power Fire gives Tangela the chance to hit Steel types most notably Klinklang and gain full momentum. It also hits grass types like what Hidden Power Ice do.
    *Third slot is a choice between three different moves. Sludge Bomb gives more coverage for to hit the grass types if you feel the power of Hidden Power Ice or Hidden Power Fire is kinda weak. Stun Spore or Toxic to a lesser extent cripples common switch ins for Tangela. Synthesis gives Tangela the HP it needs to take a hit. Surprisingly, Power Swap is a good support move for this set as it functions almost the same as Haze but it does not only remove boosts from Pokemon such as Musharna, Gurdurr and Klinklang but you also you steal the boosts for yourself.
    *Sleep Powder is very important for this set because it gives Tangela the chance to make one of the opponent's pokemon fall asleep.

    ==Other Options==:
    Tangela has a few options it can abuse apart from the sets above. Tangela can surprisingly be a potent sweeper when it is under Sun because of its other ability, Chlorophyll. A set with Growth to increase its Special attack, SolarBeam and 2 other coverage moves can surprisingly KO a lot of teams. SubSeed set is viable as well but Tangela's unimpressive speed will give this set some problems. Other usable moves are Reflect, Amnesia, ResTalk, Swagger+Psych Up, Pain Split and Sunny Day but other pokemon usually do a better job at using these moves. Finally, Tangela's access to Swords Dance can give it a chance to run a SD+3 attacks or Sub+SD set but its poor Speed and Attack stat really gives Tangela some problems.

    ==Checks and Counters==:
    Tangela's grass typing already gives it weakness to the very common Fire, Ice, Flying, Poison and Bug type attacks. Sap Sipper users like Sawsbuck, Boufallant and Girafarig are on of your best answers for Tangela as most of its sets abuse grass type moves. Tangela unfortunately cannot wall every physical move in the tier, it struggles from the Fire types like Emboar and Rapidash who can use Flare Blitz and Ko Tangela easily. It also struggles from tanking Flying type attacks like Guts boosted Swellow's STAB Brave Bird and Choice Scarf Pinsir's STAB X-Scissor. Any special attacker can give Tangela nightmares because of its weak Special Defense stat so things like Rotom-S, Rotom-F, Vileplume and Tangela can switch in easily, use their STAB attacks and KO Tangela without a problem. Natu surprisingly blocks Leech Seed, Sleep Power and Stun Spore and shrug off any damage that Tangela gives with Roost. Status moves like Toxic can cripple Tangela and prevent it from staying on the feild for too long. Finally, Magmar is the best counter for Tangela as it can take Sleep Powder because of Insomia and hit hard with a powerful Fire Blast.

    yaay. I finished it. :3[/HIDE]
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    The only thing I can see that may be worth a mention would be specially defensive?

    Something like 248 HP / 16 Def / 244 SDef Bold, as that'll keep Tangela's physical defence high, but also let it tank a few special hits as well. Example:

    252SpAtk Life Orb Torrent Samurott (Neutral) Ice Beam vs 252HP/240SpDef Eviolite Tangela (Neutral): 63% - 75% (212 - 252 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

    With a specially defensive spread, it can revenge kill special Samurott, something a physically defensive set couldn't dream of. +2 Swords Dance Samurott is easily revenge killed with Giga Drain as well as long as it doesn't have a Life Orb:

    252Atk +2 Torrent Samurott (+Atk) Megahorn vs 252HP/16Def Eviolite Tangela (+Def): 76% - 89% (254 - 300 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

    Slim chance to OHKO after rocks, but hey, tis just an example. Thoughts?
     
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    This popped out at me our Tangela has base 115 Defense not base 110.
     
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    I like the Specially defensive spread so.. added! Fixed Tangela's base Defense. Thanks.
     
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    A move I really like is Power Swap think of it as Haze with benefits not only can you use it to remove boosts from Pokemon such as Musharna, Gurdurr and Klinklang but you also you steal the boosts for yourself synergies well with Leaf Storm as well letting you tank some surprising special hits after swapping -2. It's always been my third move of choice on the offensive set and I believe it at least deserves mention.
     
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    Oh Power Swap. The only pokemon I remember using it is Shuckle. I think it works nicely stealing Musharna's CM boost. Added.
     
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    Just FYI Shuckle doesn't even learn Power Swap that's Power Split you're thinking of (Power Swap swaps boost while Power Split averages your attack with your opponents).
     
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    Oh yea. Power Swap. >.>
    sorry my bad.
     
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    Looks amazing guys
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    {{Header}}
    {{Tier|BW2 NU}}

    {{Overview|Tangela is one of the best physical walls you can find in the Wifi NU tier, as it can take hits even from NU's hardest hitters like Sawk and Klinklang with relative ease. Access to Eviolite and amazing 115 base Defense stat is a huge blessing already for Tangela but what sets it apart from other Eviolite abusers like Wartortle or Roselia is its ability, Regenerator. Its poor special bulk lets it down, Tangela has a usable 100 base Special attack which isn't bad at all.}}

    {{Set|Physical Wall|
    Tangela @ Eviolite
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain
    - Leech Seed
    - Sleep Powder / Synthesis
    - Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire}}

    {{Comments|This is what Tangela does best; a physically defensive set that can take almost every physical hit in Wifi NU. Eviolite increases Tangela's very good Defense and poor Special Defense to make its job of tanking hits easier. Regenerator gives Tangela the chance to regain some HP when switching out and is a good support for Leech Seed and Giga Drain. The recommended evs spread together with Bold nature is focused on HP and Defense to let Tangela take as much hits as possible but Tangela can use a faster spread like 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe to outspeed Alomomola and Rhydon. A specially defensive spread with 248 HP / 16 Def / 244 SDef and Bold nature is also viable for tanking hits like Ice Beam from Samurott but tanking hits from the physical side is what Tangela does best.

    Giga Drain is the main STAB move and is usually recommended over Energy Ball or Grass Knot because of its ability to regain some HP. Leech Seed is one of the most important moves for this set to work because it gives Tangela is needed HP and takes away the opponent's HP at the same time. Third slot is a choice between Sleep Powder and Synthesis. Sleep Powder is usually the recommended move as it gives Tangela the chance to make one of the opponent's pokemon fall asleep. Synthesis on the other hand gives Tangela more HP if you're not yet convinced with the Giga Drain + Leech Seed combination. Knock Off although not placed on the set itself is a good support move as it removes the items of Tangela's common switch ins like Sawsbuck. Stun Spore and Toxic are also another good support moves that can cripple common switch ins like Mesprit and Gardevoir. Fourth slot is a choice between two coverage moves, Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Fire. Hidden Power Ice hits grass types like Roselia and Meganium super effectively as well as flying types like Swellow and Rotom-S super effectively. It also hits Ground types which Giga Drain can't handle, such as Torterra. Hidden Power Fire gives Tangela the chance to hit Steel types - most notably Klinklang - and gain full momentum. It also hits Grass-types like Hidden Power Ice does.

    {{Set|Bulky Offensive|
    Tangela @ Eviolite
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SAtk / 8 SDef
    Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Leaf Storm
    - Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    - Sludge Bomb / Stun Spore / Synthesis
    - Sleep Powder}}

    {{Comments|This functions almost the same as the first set. It can come into common physical attackers like Sawk and Zangoose but what makes this set more useful it that it gives Tangela the chance to hit back using its 100 base Special Attack and a good special move pool. The Eviolite is still the recommended item for this set as it gives Tangela more bulk to take hits. Life Orb is a nice alternative if you feel that giving this Tangela set with Eviolite is not powerful enough. The ability in this set is still the same, Regenerator, since it gives Tangela the chance to regain its HP from Life Orb recoil and is a good support for Synthesis for regaining some HP. The evs spread together with Modest nature compared to the first set focuses on HP for some bulk and Special Attack for the much needed power. A spread that gives Tangela less HP but more Speed is viable but Tangela is known for its ability to take some hits.

    Leaf Storm is now preferred STAB move over Giga Drain on this set because the main goal of this set is to take a hit then hit back with a powerful move and switch out to regain some HP back. It makes Tangela somehow a hit and run pokemon. Hidden Power Ice hits grass types like Roselia and Meganium super effectively as well as flying types like Swellow and Rotom-S super effectively. It also hits Ground types which Giga Drain can handle. Hidden Power Fire gives Tangela the chance to hit Steel types most notably Klinklang and gain full momentum. It also hits grass types like what Hidden Power Ice do. Third slot is a choice between three different moves. Sludge Bomb gives more coverage for to hit the grass types if you feel the power of Hidden Power Ice or Hidden Power Fire is kinda weak. Stun Spore or Toxic to a lesser extent cripples common switch ins for Tangela. Synthesis gives Tangela the HP it needs to take a hit. Surprisingly, Power Swap is a good support move for this set as it functions almost the same as [[Haze]] but it does not only remove boosts from Pokemon such as Musharna, Gurdurr and Klinklang but you also you steal the boosts for yourself. Sleep Powder is very important for this set because it gives Tangela the chance to make one of the opponent's pokemon fall asleep.}}

    {{Options|Tangela has a few options it can abuse apart from the sets above. Tangela can surprisingly be a potent sweeper when it is under Sun because of its other ability, Chlorophyll. A set with Growth to increase its Special attack, SolarBeam and 2 other coverage moves can surprisingly KO a lot of teams. SubSeed set is viable as well but Tangela's unimpressive speed will give this set some problems. Other usable moves are Reflect, Amnesia, ResTalk, Swagger + Psych Up, Pain Split and Sunny Day but other pokemon usually do a better job at using these moves. Finally, Tangela's access to Swords Dance can give it a chance to run a SD+3 attacks or Sub+SD set but its poor Speed and Attack stat really gives Tangela some problems.}}

    {{Checks|Tangela's grass typing already gives it weakness to the very common Fire, Ice, Flying, Poison and Bug type attacks. Sap Sipper users like Sawsbuck, Bouffalant and Girafarig are on of your best answers for Tangela as most of its sets abuse grass type moves. Tangela unfortunately cannot wall every physical move in the tier, it struggles from the Fire types like Emboar and Rapidash who can use Flare Blitz and KO Tangela easily. It also struggles from tanking Flying type attacks like Guts boosted Swellow's STAB Brave Bird and Choice Scarf Pinsir's STAB X-Scissor. Any special attacker can give Tangela nightmares because of its weak Special Defense stat so things like Rotom-S, Rotom-F, Vileplume and Tangela can switch in easily, use their STAB attacks and KO Tangela without a problem. Natu surprisingly blocks Leech Seed, Sleep Power and Stun Spore and shrug off any damage that Tangela gives with Roost. Status moves like Toxic can cripple Tangela and prevent it from staying on the feild for too long. Finally, Magmar is arguably the best counter for Tangela as it can take Sleep Powder because of Vital Spirit and hit hard with a powerful Fire Blast or Flamethrower.}}

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