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[Final] Primeape

Discussion in 'Gen 5 NU Analyses' started by Xdevo, May 14, 2013.

  1. Xdevo

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    == Overview ==
    Primeape is a very useful Pokemon in NU. With its combination of great Speed and Attack, Primeape finds a very useful niche as a revenge killer, scout, and momentum gatherer. What really sets Primeape apart from other Fighting-types in NU is U-turn. U-turn allows Primeape to avoid facing the numerous physical walls in NU, until they are weakened. This makes Primeape one of the premier physical Scarf users in NU, and very easy Pokemon to slot into any offensive teams.

    Primeape does have its flaws. It has very little bulk; even resisted hits can really hurt Primeape. Primeape also faces really stiff competition from Sawk, which has higher Attack and better bulk. Primeape is also really one dimensional. It has a very useful Choice set, but not very much else. Overall, Primeape is a really good addition to offensive teams, but it isn't perfect.


    == Sets ==

    === Choice ===
    Primeape @ Choice Scarf / Choice Band
    Trait: Vital Spirit
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) / Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpAtk
    - U-turn
    - Close Combat
    - Punishment
    - Stone Edge / Ice Punch

    Primeape's best option is choiced set. With a Choice Scarf, Primeape can make a fantastic revenge killer for the many threats in NU. Primeape can also use U-turn to stay ahead of opponents, maintaining momentum for the team. Close Combat is one of the best STAB moves for an already frail sweeper, with huge power, and a fairly unimportant downside. Its perfect accuracy and STAB mean that Primeape has an easy time revenge killing the various frail Pokemon of NU. Punishment is very good for hitting the bulky Psychics and Ghost of NU, espcially if they have obtained a boost. Stone Edge hits the Bug-types in NU and has very good power, although the accuracy is lackluster. Ice Punch hits the Flying- and Grass-types in NU, especially Pokemon like Altaria and Vileplume.

    The EVs and natures are very straightforward. They maximize Primeape's Attack and Speed for the easiest time revenge killing. Alternatively, Primeape can equip a Choice Band and an Adamant nature to hit as hard as possible. While a Choice Band set would seem outclassed by Sawk at first glance, U-turn really helps Primeape distinguish itself from its more powerful cousin.

    Primeape doesn't require a terrible amount of team support, but having things that can remove Musharna, Misdreavus, and the other bulky Pokemon in NU that resist Fighting is wise. Primeape slots into VoltTurn teams very well, with its high power and great speed. So other Pokemon that use Volt Switch or U-turn, are very helpful, and can make a very nice core.


    == Other Options ==

    Primeape is very one-dimentional, and doesn't have many other options to exploit. However, there are a few options Primeape can use. A set with Expert Belt can be used to bluff a Choiced set, then nail a Pokemon really hard. Bulk Up can be used to hit harder and become bulkier. Defiant can be used to take advantage of Intimidate users, but the ability is fairly uncommon in NU. A set with Work Up and Overheat and Thunderbolt can be used to lure and kill the main Physical Walls of NU. A SubPunch set could work, but it doesn't make good use of Primeape's best qualities. Encore can also be used alongside Substitute, but, again, Primeape is a bit too frail to make good use of it.

    Primeape also has a number of other moveslot options such as; Fire Punch, Poison Jab, Seed Bomb. Each of these hits certain targets, but generally aren't good enough for the main set. Fire Punch can hit both NU's Bug- and Grass-types, Poison Jab can hit Tangela, and Seed Bomb can hit Sesmitoad and Carracosta.

    == Checks & Counters ==

    Primeape's best counters are Ghost-types. Being immune to the move that Primeape wants to use most of the time, makes Primeape much harder to use. Misdreavus and Frillish are the best bulky Ghosts that NU has, but Haunter and Drfitblim are both stil immune to Close Combat. Psychic-types tha have some bulk can really put a damper on Primeape, but must be wary of repeated U-turns or a boosted Punishment. Mesprit and Musharna do the job perfectly. Bulky Poison-types can also stop Primeape, so Vileplume, Weezing, Golbat, Garbodor, and the like make great counters. Standard physical walls like Alomomola and Tangela also stop Primeape fine.

    It should be noted that, while Primeape's Attack is fairly high, the ape isn't terribly powerful, so most bulky Pokemon can take at least one hit and retaliate. Also, Primeape will be choiced most of the time, so it may be easy to predict around.
     
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  2. Dzi

    Dzi So Nyuh Shi Dae

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    Primeape is really cool. :3

    Choice Scarf:
    Choice Scarf and Choice Band sets doesn't have a lot of difference imo, so you should slash Choice Band next to Scarf and rename the set as 'Choiced' set.

    Other Options:
    Mixed set with Work Up, Close Combat, Punishment/Stone Edge/Ice Punch and Overheat/Thunderbolt (hits Tangela and Alomomola respectively). Overheat/Thunderbolt is really surprising.

    Toxic on a Choice set isn't that bad gives Primeape the ability to cripple common switch ins.

    Yea Poison Jab deserves a mention since it hits Meganium, Exeggutor and Serperior stronger that Ice Punch but Ice Punch can still hit the likes of Vileplume and Roselia at super effective damage.

    Checks and Counters:
    Scarf Timid Rotom-S outspeeds Scarf Adamant Primeape.

    Scarf Manetric, Zebstrika, Eelectabuzz, Raichu will outspeed any set.

    Slash Duosion next to Mesprit and Musharna.

    Last but not the least: Frillish
     
  3. Xdevo

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    I don't think Toxic is all that useful on Primeape, unlike Sawk. If there is anything that Primeape can't really hurt, it would much rather U-turn out and keep momentum, and avoid the dangerous Scald, Toxic, etc hitting its teammates. This is especially true in the new NU, where there are a lot of things that can now hurt the old walls. It's much more useful on Sawk who can't U-turn for momentum. Overall, its much safer to U-turn to something like Houndoom for Misdreavus, or Gardevoir / grass-type for Alomomola than it is to Toxic them.
    About Poison Jab, while it does hit a few things slightly hard, if it doesn't 2HKO them, Primeape would be better off using U-turn (especially against Eggy). While with Ice Punch, it has a lot better coverage and no immunities. I'll probably mention it in the set comments.

    I'll mention generic scarfers as a whole for now.
     
  4. Spoovo The Pirate

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    Uhh... just a nitpick, but Anger Point no longer activates if a Sub gets hit by a crit. :(
     
  5. emac

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    Put choice specs in the OO right now. Easily the best primeape set. (seriously though, put it in)
     
  6. The Real Elmo

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    Well, if we're going to mention Poison Jab we might as well mention Seed Bomb too....

    also, Sub Punch Encore Ape anyone?
     
  7. Dr. Fuji

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    Kind of a waste of its speed to use Sub Punch but I can agree with giving Encore a mention probably best with Bulk Up or something.
     
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    {{Header}}
    {{Tier|BW2 NU}}

    {{Overview|Primeape is a very useful Pokemon in NU. With its combination of great Speed and Attack, Primeape finds a very useful niche as a revenge killer, scout, and momentum gatherer. What really sets Primeape apart from other Fighting-types in NU is U-turn. U-turn allows Primeape to avoid facing the numerous physical walls in NU, until they are weakened. This makes Primeape one of the premier physical Scarf users in NU, and very easy Pokemon to slot into any offensive teams.

    Primeape does have its flaws. It has very little bulk; even resisted hits can really hurt Primeape. Primeape also faces really stiff competition from Sawk, which has higher Attack and better bulk. Primeape is also really one dimensional. It has a very useful Choice set, but not very much else. Overall, Primeape is a really good addition to offensive teams, but it isn't perfect.}}

    {{Set|Choice|
    Primeape @ Choice Scarf / Choice Band
    Trait: Vital Spirit
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) / Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpAtk
    - Close Combat
    - U-turn
    - Punishment
    - Stone Edge / Ice Punch}}

    {{Comments|Primeape's best option is choiced set. With a Choice Scarf, Primeape can make a fantastic revenge killer for the many threats in NU. Primeape can also use U-turn to stay ahead of opponents, maintaining momentum for the team. Close Combat is one of the best STAB moves for an already frail sweeper, with huge power, and a fairly unimportant downside. Its perfect accuracy and STAB mean that Primeape has an easy time revenge killing the various frail Pokemon of NU. Punishment is very good for hitting the bulky Psychics and Ghost of NU, espcially if they have obtained a boost. Stone Edge hits the Bug-types in NU and has very good power, although the accuracy is lackluster. Ice Punch hits the Flying- and Grass-types in NU, especially Pokemon like Altaria and Vileplume.

    The EVs and natures are very straightforward. They maximize Primeape's Attack and Speed for the easiest time revenge killing. Alternatively, Primeape can equip a Choice Band and an Adamant nature to hit as hard as possible. While a Choice Band set would seem outclassed by Sawk at first glance, U-turn really helps Primeape distinguish itself from its more powerful cousin.

    Primeape doesn't require a terrible amount of team support, but having things that can remove Musharna, Misdreavus, and the other bulky Pokemon in NU that resist Fighting is wise. Primeape slots into VoltTurn teams very well, with its high power and great speed. So other Pokemon that use Volt Switch or U-turn, are very helpful, and can make a very nice core.}}

    {{Options|Primeape is very one-dimentional, and doesn't have many other options to exploit. However, there are a few options Primeape can use. A set with Expert Belt can be used to bluff a Choiced set, then nail a Pokemon really hard. Bulk Up can be used to hit harder and become bulkier. Defiant can be used to take advantage of Intimidate users, but the ability is fairly uncommon in NU. A set with Work Up and Overheat and Thunderbolt can be used to lure and kill the main Physical Walls of NU. A SubPunch set could work, but it doesn't make good use of Primeape's best qualities. Encore can also be used alongside Substitute, but, again, Primeape is a bit too frail to make good use of it.

    Primeape also has a number of other moveslot options such as; Fire Punch, Poison Jab, Seed Bomb. Each of these hits certain targets, but generally aren't good enough for the main set. Fire Punch can hit both NU's Bug- and Grass-types, Poison Jab can hit Tangela, and Seed Bomb can hit Sesmitoad and Carracosta.}}

    {{Checks|Primeape's best counters are Ghost-types. Being immune to the move that Primeape wants to use most of the time, makes Primeape much harder to use. Misdreavus and Frillish are the best bulky Ghosts that NU has, but Haunter and Drfitblim are both still immune to Close Combat. Psychic-types that have some bulk can really put a damper on Primeape, but must be wary of repeated U-turns or a boosted Punishment. Mesprit and Musharna do the job perfectly. Bulky Poison-types can also stop Primeape, so Vileplume, Weezing, Golbat, Garbodor, and the like make great counters. Standard physical walls like Alomomola and Tangela also stop Primeape fine.

    It should be noted that, while Primeape's Attack is fairly high, the ape isn't terribly powerful, so most bulky Pokemon can take at least one hit and retaliate. Also, Primeape will be choiced most of the time, so it may be easy to predict around.}}

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