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[Final] Kyurem-B

Discussion in 'Gen 5 OU Analyses' started by Alfalfa, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. Alfalfa

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    ==General==
    How a pokemon with such a high BST and no crappy ability is sitting in the corner of BL is beyond us. Kyurem-B has the highest BST in all of OU, toppling at a crazy 700. Despite its small movepool and weakness to Stealth Rock, Kyurem-B wreaks terror in teams that dare to stand face-to-face with it. It has sick 125/100/90 bulk, and absurdly high 170/120 offenses to rip apart the metagame. Its STABs also has really good coverage, and it has enough viable moves - Outrage, Dragon Claw, Ice Beam, Fusion Bolt, Earth Power, etc., to utilize his offenses to the best.

    However, there are some thorns sitting in Kyurem-B's side. Despite a stellar offensive typing, he is weak to all hazards, especially Stealth Rock, despite his access to a reliable recovery move in Roost. His 95 base speed is just short of 100, leaving him outsped by common threats like {{5gou|Terrakion}}, {{5gou|Jirachi}}, and {{5gou|Keldeo}}. His physical movepool is also not that impressive, having only Dragon STAB, Fusion Bolt, and the charge-up move Freeze Shock (Ice STAB). Kyurem-B also takes heavy damage from his sworn enemy, {{5gou|Scizor}}, whose Bullet Punch hits Kyurem-B hard. However, these flaws can be addressed with team support, as Kyurem-B can shred teams apart, breaking walls, hammering sweepers, and more!

    ==Substitute==
    {{set
    |name=Substitute
    |pkmn=Kyurem-B
    |item=Leftovers
    |ability=Teravolt
    |ev=56 HP/212 Atk/240 Spe or 56 HP/212 SpA/240 Spe
    |nature=Lonely (+Atk, -Def) or Mild (+SpA, -Def)
    |move1=Substitute
    |move2=Ice Beam|move21=Blizzard
    |move3=Fusion Bolt|move41=Roost
    |move4=Earth Power}}

    When behind a substitute, Kyurerm-B will force a huge number of switches. Thanks to absurd 170/120 offenses, the opponent has to be careful when addressing Kyurem-B. With 405 HP, Kyurem-B can lay down 101 HP Substitutes to avoid the instant destruction with Seismic Toss, while being able to switch into Stealth Rock five times. Ice Beam is the main STAB, though Blizzard can be used for more power in a sandstorm. It hits {{5gou|Gliscor}}, {{5gou|Landorus}}, {{5gou|Dragonite}}, {{5gou|Salamence}} and {{5gou|Donphan}} for the OHKO. {{5gou|Celebi}}, {{5gou|Breloom}}, and {{5gou|Latias}} are also hit hard. Earth Power hits {{5gou|Tentacruel}}, Jirachi, {{5gou|Heatran}}, Terrakion, {{5gou|Ninetales}}, {{5gou|Rotom-W}}, {{5gou|Bronzong}}, {{5gou|Rotom-H}}, and {{5gou|Magnezone}} for super effective damage; however, if they are addressed by a teammate, Roost can be used to restore Kyurem-B's HP. Fusion Bolt has good coverage with Ice STAB, hitting everything for neutral coverage, bar Magnezone and the occasional Rotom-H.

    The speed allows Kyurem-B to outrun {{5gou|Mamoswine}}. As mentioned before, 405 HP allows Kyurem-B to switch into Stealth Rock five times and lay down 101 HP Substitutes for avoiding the instant destruction by Seismic Toss.

    ===Synergy===
    Any pokemon likes entry hazards; and Kyurem-B also likes them removed from his side of the field. Thus, Forretress, Donphan, and {{5gou|Starmie}} can spin, while the former two and Ferrothorn are good candidates to lay down hazards. Gliscor can lay down Stealth Rock and absorb status, whereas {{5gou|Jellicent}} can spinblock and wall Scizor. In return, Kyurem-B can give Celebi problems. {{5gou|Abomasnow}} provides a 100% accurate Blizzard, and can also bring residual damage to the opponent, though no defensive synergy lies between the two. Finally, Baton Passers, like Gorebyss and Volbeat, can make Kyurem-B a living hell. A {{5gou|Cloyster}} check (it carries Rock Blast), like Scizor or {{5gou|Breloom}}, can also be of use.

    ==Choice Band==
    {{set
    |name=Choice Band
    |pkmn=Kyurem-B
    |item=Choice Band
    |ability=Teravolt
    |ev=212 Atk/44 SpA/252 Spe
    |ev1=252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    |nature=Lonely
    |nature1=Adamant
    |move1=Outrage
    |move2=Hidden Power Fire|move21=Ice Beam|move22=Sleep Talk
    |move3=Fusion Bolt
    |move4=Dragon Claw}}

    Kyurem-B has the strongest Outrage out of all 649 pokemon, and Dragon Claw as well. It rips huge holes in teams, and wears down walls for a teammate to sweep. Dragon Claw is for when Outrage is simply overkill to prevent the confusion. Fusion Bolt murders {{5gou|Skarmory}}, who stubbornly refuses to die to Outrage. Hidden Power Fire, outside of rain, with 40 Sp Atk EVs and Naughty nature, will 2/OHKO {{5gou|Forretress}}, {{5gou|Ferrothorn}}, and Scizor, damning them with flames. Ice Beam really does not need any investment to OHKO {{5gou|Landorus-T}} and Gliscor. However, if neither of these Special Attacks are needed, Kyurem-B can run Sleep Talk to become a sleep absorber; switch into a sleeping move like Spore or Sleep Powder to activate Sleep Clause for a teammate, and you are good to go. It should be noted that Kyurem-B cannot be locked into Outrage using Sleep Talk.

    ===Synergy===
    Entry hazards can make this set a huge pain in the neck. Forretress and Donphan can lay down entry hazards, and Rapid Spin to boot. Starmie checks Keldeo while spinning, and appreciates the offensive terror Kyurem-B is. Rain removal is good should Hidden Power Fire be in moveslot 4; Ninetales or Abomasnow can keep the rain away. Jirachi can paralyze foes and pass Wishes to Kyurem-B, and can switch in on [email protected] Sweepers like Swords Dance Scizor and Quiver Dance {{5gou|Volcarona}} appreciate the removal of walls like Skarmory and Jellicent, so they make good teammates as well, being able to sweep once their counters are fainted or severely weakened.

    ==Shuffler==
    {{set
    |name=Shuffler
    |pkmn=Kyurem-B
    |item=Leftovers
    |ability=Teravolt
    |ev=252 HP/64 Atk/136 SpD/56 Spe
    |nature=Careful
    |move1=Substitute
    |move2=Roost
    |move3=Hone Claws
    |move4=Dragon Tail}}

    Kyurem-B is a very decent shuffler using its STAB Dragon Tail off a frightening 170 base attack. It has many useful resistances, such as to Electric and Grass, and high defenses. It can destroy rain and stall teams and just rip them apart with entry hazard support. Hone Claws makes Dragon Tail 100% accurate after just one boost, allowing for 16 turns of shuffling galore. Substitute is a barrier that protects Kyurem-B from status, and Roost is a reliable recovery move that restores lost HP from Substitutes and Stealth Rock. The 56 Speed EVs allows Kyurem-B to outspeed Adamant Breloom and use Substitute before Spore. Most of Kyurem-B's resistances are special, so special bulk is invested to The damage that can be racked up from this set is crazy.

    ===Synergy===
    For a shuffler set, you sure need entry hazards. Forretress, Skarmory, Heatran, Jirachi, whomever fits the team to its best needs of laying down entry hazards. Steels have relatively good resistances that KyuB appreciates, like resistances to Dragon and Steel type moves. A good Rapid Spinner like Forretress or Starmie helps to alleviate the Stealth Rock weakness KyuB has. Sand removal from {{5gou|Politoed}}, Abomasnow, or Ninetales is important; since most pokemon take damage from hail, Abomasnow is probably the best partner, despite compiling some weaknesses to Rock, Steel, and Fighting types together. Finally, on balanced teams using this Kyurem-B, sweepers appreciate their counters being worn down, so sweeper like {{5gou|Lucario}} and Cloyster are good teammates for the Frozen Dragon. Speaking of Cloyster, its Rock Blast can be problematic for this set, so a check to that, like Scizor or Breloom, is a good partner.

    ==Choice Scarf==
    {{set
    |name=Choice Scarf
    |pkmn=Kyurem-B
    |item=Choice Scarf
    |ability=Teravolt
    |ev1=252 Atk/4 SpA/252 Spe
    |nature=Naughty
    |nature1=Naive
    |move1=Outrage
    |move2=Ice Beam
    |move3=Fusion Bolt
    |move4=Dragon Claw}}


    Despite being just short of 100, Kyurem-B is an absurdly strong revenge killer. STAB Outrage destroys anything that does not resist it. Ice Beam is a secondary STAB that does not hit as hard, but it still has a lot of power behind it. Dragon Claw again is for when Outrage is overkill, and Fusion Bolt is for Skarmory and Waters like Jellicent or Keldeo. You get the idea: Choice Scarf Kyurem-B is strong. Bullet Punch and Mach Punch are problematic, and thus the drop goes into Special Defense rather than Defense, and keeps Ice Beam strong by not going Jolly or Adamant. Naive can be used to outspeed Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Rotom-W, but Naughty gives more power.

    ===Synergy===
    This set fits more on offensive and balanced teams needing a powerful revenge killer. Entry hazards come handy with this set due to the lack of dedicated power, so entry hazard users like Ferrothorn and {{5gou|Forretress}} come of use. Forretress can also Rapid Spin away opposing hazards; same with Donphan. Heatran deserves more credit due to being able to smash Ferrothorn and Forretress while laying down Stealth Rock. {{5gou|Jirachi}} has good synergy with Kyurem-B as well. Offensive partners like {{5gou|Scizor}} and Heatran become noteworthy, as well as Breloom and Keldeo. Sand removal from Ninetales, Politoed, or Abomasnow is also appreciated to avoid residual damage from weather.

    ==Mixed Kyurem-B==
    {{set
    |name=Mixed Kyurem-B
    |pkmn=Kyurem-B
    |item=Life Orb
    |item1=Leftovers
    |ability=Teravolt
    |ev=4 Atk/252 SpA/252 Spe
    |nature=Mild
    |nature1=Hasty
    |move1=Outrage|move11=Dragon Claw
    |move2=Hidden Power Fire|move21=Draco Meteor|move22=Roost
    |move3=Fusion Bolt
    |move4=Ice Beam|move41=Blizzard}}

    Mixed Kyurem-B is one of the most powerful mixed attackers in all of OU. Thanks to monstrous 170/120 offenses, Kyurem-B can deal immense damage from both sides of the plate. Outrage hits absurdly hard and pummels everything that does not resist it into the ground. Dragon Claw does not have a confusion chance, but {{5gou|Chansey}} can shrug it off due to the significant decrease in power. Ice Beam is another STAB attack, but Blizzard works even better in hail. Earth Power hits Bronzong and Rotom-W hard, and has good coverage with Ice Beam. Outside of rain, Hidden Power Fire will oliberate Ferrothorn and Forretress. In rain, Draco Meteor can be used for immediate, deathly power, but the -2 drop can be annoying. Thus, if neither of these are an option, Roost can heal off damage from entry hazards and Life Orb recoil. The EVs maximize the lower Special Attack. Speed is needed to outrun things. 4 EVs in Attack just pumps the power a slight bit, but gets no new KOs.

    ===Synergy===
    This set appreciates entry hazard support from Forretress, {{5gou|Gliscor}}, or Jirachi/Ferrothorn - Forretress can also Rapid Spin, Gliscor wall {{5gou|Terrakion}}, and Jirachi/Ferrothorn wall [email protected] and paralyze them back in return. A Keldeo check, whether it be Jellicent, Latias, Starmie, etc., is also appreciated by Kyurem-B. Abomasnow can give Kyurem-B a 100% accurate Blizzard to play around with, which is cool, and provides a veil against rain so HP Fire stays usably strong. Starmie and Forretress can do their Rapid Spinning jobs for KyuB, and paralysis spreaders, like Jirachi, Ferrothorn, and Ammoonguss can come of use to slow down faster threats, like Choice Scarf Terrakkion.

    ==Other Options==
    Not many other options are available for Kyurem-B; his movepool is so shallow, he cannot even learn Earthquake! Yet, look at the size of that beast! Getting back to the topic at hand, perhaps the most viable is a purely special attacking set due to Teravolt, as Kyurem-B can use Earth Power to hammer Rotom-W and Bronzong, which also has good coverage with Ice Beam. Freeze Shock is Kyurem-B's only physical Ice STAB, but it needs to charge up to hit. However, a SubFreezeShock strategy can be used to attack with Freeze Shock behind a substitute. Additional physical moves like Stone Edge, Iron Head, Shadow Claw, and Zen Headbutt are all unnecessary, as Outrage, Dragon Claw, and Fusion Bolt are the only physical attacks Kyurem-B should possibly need.

    ==Checks and Counters==
    Nothing can be a counter and stand up to all of Kyurem-B's possible attacks and survive, unless if it is Ferrothorn in the rain laughing at HP Fire because it is weakened by water. For checking Kyurem-B, Scizor is the king check: STAB Bullet Punch hits hard, and Scizor and many useful resistances to switch in and OHKO it after Stealth Rock (without Rocks though, it is 2HKO). Breloom cannot switch into Kyurem-B, as it is as frail as a leaf, but its Mach Punch is also crazy strong Also, hood luck switching in on its Outrages if you are not Steel type. Jirachi has reliable recovery to withstand the assaults and retaliate by either setting Stealth Rock or hitting it with Iron Head. Ferrothorn has Leech Seed to sap Kyurem-B's HP. Other examples of checks are {{5gou|Terrakion}} and {{5gou|Keldeo}}, whom can defeat Kyurem-B with their Fighting STAB. The same can be said about faster Dragon types, such as {{5gou|Haxorus}}, {{5gou|Hydreigon}}, {{5gou|Salamence}}, and {{5gou|Latios}}. Entry hazards also whither Kyurem-B down, courtesy to his weakness to Stealth Rock.
     
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  2. Spoovo The Pirate

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    Are you sure the EVs are correct on the Sub set? Mild nature, yet no Special Attack investment?
     
  3. Sakuya Izayoi

    Sakuya Izayoi love to hate

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    Might want to add that magnet pull support from magnezone helps take out the steels, giving Kyurem-b an easier time destroying a team.

    Freeze shock+power herb is worth a mention in OO, giving Kyurem-b a physical one time use ice STAB to play with.

    Is roost viable over fusion bolt on the sub set?
     
  4. Alfalfa

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    Spoovo, yes

    DracoNinja, Kyurem-B really has the coverage it needs to take out steels. Ferrothorn and Scizor (and the rare Steelix) are the only big problems for Kyurem-B, and Volcarona or Heatran can handle them all.
     
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    Ready for QC Checks
     
  6. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    Should have a set like Dragon Claw / Fusion Bolt / Ice Beam (or Roost) / Sub with LO.
    Maybe over the Mixed set. (Last one.)
    Otherwise, looks nice.

    Approved.
    Need one more, though.
     
  7. Captain

    Captain Suns Out Guns Out

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    I would take the slash off of earth power on the sub set, and slash roost next to fusion bolt tbh, since kyurem B has teravolt earthpower is more viable
    Otherwise Approved