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[Skeleton] Roserade

Discussion in 'Gen 5 UU Analyses' started by NidoTheKing, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. NidoTheKing

    NidoTheKing Father of the Year 2014!

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    ==Overview==
    Just by Roserade's appearance, you can tell that this analysis, like it or not, will have a lot of botanical puns in it. Roserade itself, however, is no joke. Previously banned from Underused, Roserade plants its roots back in the tier ready to kill some weeds (I warned you). Sporting a high 125 Special Attack, passable typing both offensively and defensively, and workable movepool, it's no wonder why it was and still is considered so good. However, one of Roserade's main selling points is Spikes, which is what makes Roserade highly praised as one of the best supporters in the tier.

    This pretty flower, however, does have its thorns. Even though its movepool is as beautiful as it looks, Roserade simply does not have the overall stats to be reconsidered as broken. While 105 Special Defense are great, Roserade's base defense and Hp are low for that of a defensive Pokemon. Also, Roserade is cursed by having only average speed. 90 Speed is by no means bad in the tier, but, in such a new and more aggressive stage, you would really wish for higher. However, if you focus on the petals rather than the thorns of this rose, you may just find a beautiful flower for your garden that brings nothing but positive feedback.


    ==Special Sweeper==
    Roserade @ Life Orb/Choice Specs
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 SpAtk / 4 SpDef / 252 Spd
    Modest/Timid Nature
    - Leaf Storm
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power Fire/Sleep Powder
    - Rest/Synthesis/Extrasensory

    ==Set Comments==
    While Roserade may not be a total nuke like Nidoking or Chandelure is, it still has enough strength and coverage to be known as one of the tier's most dangerous special sweeper and anti-metagame. Leaf Storm is the main attack of choice when it comes to strength that dents if not breaks down all that do not resist. Sludge Bomb is a highly welcomed secondary STAB that shoots down other threats that may resist the mighty Leaf Storm. For example, Zapdos, Virizion, and Heracross easily 2HKOd by Sludge Bomb in contrast to Leaf Storm. Hidden Power Fire rounds everything off by hitting the few Steel types like Metagross and Bronzong that wish to switch in. If you wish to be a sneaky little player if using Life Orb, however, Sleep Powder is a surprise attack that neuters potential problems for it and/or your team. It also gives Roserade a chance to heal for free. Speaking of healing, the Life Orb variants have moves that can restore the recoil taken. Rest acts as a full heal to take away all damage done, but it requires a switch to remove Sleep status. Synthesis, however, can be used instead for a faster heal but heals less and has less PP. Extrasensory is more of a filler move for Choice Specs, but it does take credit for hurting Poison types harder than anything else and also hurting Fighting types super effectively.

    This set is more of a hit-and-run sweeper rather than an all-out attacker, so offensive teammates should be ones that abuse what Roserade kills and can take on what Roserade can't kill. Since Roserade obliterates most Physical walls and has a few rough patches with pure Special Walls, Agility Metagross is a fine answer for a teammate, who's typing and niche as a wallbreaker provides excellent synergy with Roserade minus the shared Fire weakness. Arcanine can abuse Roserade's Fire weakness for its own benefit and kill multiple threats with overpowered Flare Blitzes. Support from Pokemon like Rhyperior, Qwilfish, Umbreon, and Togekiss makes sweeping much easier for Roserade.

    Another note about this set is that it can run a Choice Scarf instead of Choice Specs to outrun those that think they can overtake this threat. Do bear in mind, however, that there is a cost in power, and may lose you some KOs.


    ==SpikeRose==
    Roserade @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 Hp / 240 SpDef / 16 Spd
    Calm Nature
    - Spikes
    - Giga Grain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Rest/Synthesis

    ==Set Comments==
    Blossoming great special bulk, defensive typing, and high attacking stats and speed for a supporter Pokemon, Roserade is one of the best supporters and absolute best Spikers in the tier. Spikes is what makes Roserade good and not a mediocre Bulky Grass. Unlike other Spike Stacker in the tier, it is possibly the only one that can beat all of the common spinners. Giga Drain is a reliable STAB that is a lot more consistent than Leaf Storm for this set. Also, the fact that you steal a portion of health after a hit is always good to have. Sludge Bomb adds additional power and coverage while bringing a cool 30% chance to Poison the foe. Rest and Synthesis are your healing moves of choice that have been discussed previously when you can't heal enough with Giga Drain.

    Unlike other Spikers, a spinblocker is not a top priority for a partner because Roserade can take on all of the common spinners one-on-one. Blastoise has no hope in breaking Roserade and Hitmontop is outstalled. Ice Beam Claydol has the best chance of attacking, but Giga Drain hits for super effective damage and restores lost health. If you want more power so you can be more of an offensive Spiker, a Modest nature with 88 Hp / 204 SpAtk / 216 Spd is just enough to 2HKO Claydol after Stealth Rock and Hitmontop after Spikes with Giga Drain and Sludge Bomb respectively. Remember, though, that it does cost a significant amount of bulk.

    Roserade's defenses allow it to abuse many defensive cores in the tier that in the past were near-unbreakable. Everyone in the past remembers the dreaded Roserade + Suicune combo, which was virtually impenetrable. While continuing to stay strong, it isn't as broken as it was before, so don't go around showing two roses not thinking that one will be taken out of your hands. Snorlax and Slowbro are also great synergistic partners for this set. Physically defensive Pokemon like Rhyperior and Alomomola make a fantastic general defensive core. Roserade's Spikes helps assist strong sweepers like Azumarill and Arcanine finish the job in offensive or semi-offensive teams.


    ==Other Options==
    A lot of people don't know this, but Roserade is actually a great user of Rain Dance. It not only makes the damage done from Flamethrower rather depressing, but it also allows it to use a decently powerful Weather Ball. Do keep in mind, however, that it takes up a lot of moveslots to do that combo and that it is more of a team player rather than an independent attacker like Kingdra, and there is also Ludicolo who generally does a better job.

    When it comes to other options, Roserade sadly does not have many to choose from. Shadow Ball is the most reliable attack that Roserade has for Chandelure, but that's really all it's good for. Both Aromatherapy and Leech Seed are horribly outclassed by other users like Shaymin and Tangrowth. Toxic Spikes is an option over Spikes if you ask for extra support, but the amount of Poison types in the tier and less utility it provides makes it the poorer choice when it comes to hazards. A suicide Spikes lead is an option, but it's a total waste of Roserade and you might as well use Accelgor or Scolipede. Technician only boosts Magical Leaf, Grass Knot, Swift, Weather Ball, and specific Hidden Powers at the cost of Natural Cure. So, if you compare them both, it is pretty useless.


    ==Checks and Counters==
    First, when trying to stop Roserade, take to account Sleep Powder and make sure you have ways around it so you don't have dead weight in your party after the fight. Once the threat of Sleep Powder is resolved, then you may pick the flower with less need to worry about the thorns.

    When it comes to counters, Cryogonal stands out as the textbook definition of Roserade. Its high Special Defense allows it to take even Hidden Power Fire and has Rapid Spin to spin away all Spikes (and also has Levitate) as well as hefty Ice Beams to fire off at will. However, bear in mind that Cryogonal is uncommonly seen in this tier and can be stopped with just about any physical attack.

    In the more common side of the tier, Crobat stands out as the best Roserade counter in Underused, taking little damage from all of her moves bar Extrasensory, healing off the damage, Taunting Spikes, and chases it away with Brave Bird. As long as Roserade doesn't carry Hidden Power Fire, any Steel type not named Empoleon or Steelix dust off all of Roserade's attacks and set up on it nearly for free. Even with Hidden Power Fire, Fire types like Arcanine, Victini, Houndoom, and Darmanitan can stomach hits aside from Sludge Bomb and harass Roserade with their Fire move of choice. Chandelure in particular works because it doesn't even mind Sludge Bomb that much! Xatu laughs at the defensive set as it bounces back Spikes and a predicted Sleep Powder and takes little from the other attacks, but doesn't like Poison from Sludge Bomb. Umbreon can outstall Roserade and generate a stalemate with Wish and Heal Bell. But, in general, the more reliable way to defeat Roserade is to check it rather than counter it. Revenge killing it with Pokemon such as Yanmega, Mienshao, Heracross, and Weavile is a lot safer than trying to come in on an attack or Sleep Powder.
     
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  2. Orcelot

    Orcelot AKA Angelus

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    Offensive set really wants Sleep Powder. Being able to almost remove a potential counter from the game is huge and one of the big reasons to use Roserade over Shaymin. You say that Roserade can't really take advantage of the free turns but that's simply not true. Offensive Roserade is a hit and run attacker and due to the sleep mechanics this gen, you can pretty much keep a Pokemon asleep all game if you play correctly. This means that to deal with Roserade properly, people are forced to either sacrifice something to the sleep powder (which can come back to bite them if the Roserade user predicts this) or they put sleep talk on something that usually wouldn't carry it.
     
  3. NidoTheKing

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    I for one never liked Sleep Powder, but it's in.

    The basic analysis is done. It may need some touching up, but I need some feedback.

    Also, STILL don't know if I should add Scarf >_>
     
  4. Spoovo The Pirate

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    Ehh, just tack it onto the end of the offensive set imo. There isn't a HUGE difference between the two sets anyways.

    I think an Offensive Spiker set needs at least a mention, as Roserade has the offensive power to threaten most spinners, making it pretty easy for it to demolish said spinner, and then chuck out as many layers as possible.

    Also, you mention in OO that Shadow Ball is Rose's best answer to Chandelure, immediately after Rain Dance + Weather Ball. Maybe some rewording there?
     
  5. Xinc

    Xinc Time for Oras?

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    I would think Azelf would be a great Pokemon to check Roserade (It can't come into any STABs, but can sure OHKO with Psyshock LO boosted). If you could add that, that would be nice in C&C.