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[BW2] Underrated and Overrated OU Pokemon

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Discussion' started by Eternal, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. Eternal

    Eternal こんにちは。

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    So I've been looking through the usage statistics, the ranked stats and the unranked stats. Usually the ranked stats are more defined than the unranked stats, as you have statistics involving better players. So what this means is that the ranked stats show what Pokemon are more successful in the OU metagame. Think about it, if Kyurem-B is much more favorable in the ranked stats than the unranked stats, then you know Kyurem-B is a really good Pokemon and is underrated. Because people with higher rating have found success in using it, thus use it more. So under this notion I decided to investigate the tier on what the most underrated and overrated Pokemon are, as I now have statistical evidence to back it up. Of course there may be other factors involved and you may not entirely agree with me, but this is just an over oversimplification based on some tangential data. I've provided my own implication for each Pokemon on whether it's overrated or underrated. You are free to make your own implication and post it on this thread!

    Overrated = Deserves significantly less usage than it already has.
    Underrated = Deserves significantly more usage than it already has.

    I'll be using the most up-to-date stats to measure how underrated and overrated each Pokemon is (stats as of 8/27/2013).

    Analysis of the MOST OVERUSED Pokemon in spoiler:
    Scizor
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    Unranked usage: #1 at 23.36%
    Ranked usage: #1 at 27.31%
    Deviation: 0 ranks at +3.95%
    Implication: Scizor is the the most used Pokemon in the OU metagame, but even so more used in the ranked stats by as much as 4%! That's actually a big difference. This means that players with high ratings have found a lot of success just by adding a Scizor to their team. It may not be as threatening to call it a potential Uber, but it has a special niche, being able to fit in almost any team as the best priority attacker in the game.

    Politoed
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    Unranked usage: #3 at 15.58%
    Ranked usage: #2 at 19.33%
    Deviation: +1 rank at +3.75%
    Implication: We all know how big of an impact rain has on the metagame. Instant permanent rain boosting the already STAB Water-type attacks and weakening opposing Fire-types, as well as giving a lot of powerful moves like Thunder and Hurricane 100% accuracy. So it's no doubt players are attaining higher ratings just by abusing team under rain.

    Tyranitar
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    Unranked usage: #5 at 14.05%
    Ranked usage: #5 at 16.66%
    Deviation: 0 ranks at +2.61%
    Implication: While not as big of a surprise as Politoed, it does show that Sandstorm is more prevalent in the hands of higher rated players. The increased usage of both rain and sandstorm shows the impact of weather, and how beneficial it is to have weather to succeed in the OU metagame. Especially the necessity of overturning weather from weather-based teams.

    Jirachi
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    Unranked usage: #6 at 13.82%
    Ranked usage: #3 at 18.74%
    Deviation: +3 ranks at +4.92%
    Implication: It's no surprise that players with high ratings use Jirachi more, because Jirachi is one of the few Pokemon that can handle threats such as [email protected], Gengar, Alakazam, and other devious special attackers. And believe it or not, the most popular Jirachi set is the specially defensive Wish supporter set.

    Latios
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    Unranked usage: #7 at 12.58%
    Ranked usage: #6 at 16.59%
    Deviation: +1 rank at 4.01%
    Implication: Also not a surprise, this monster has the strongest Draco Meteor in the OU tier (along with Kyurem). Only difference is, it's much faster and can resist a priority Mach Punch from Technician Breloom very well, making it a great counter and revenge killer to many threats.

    Keldeo
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    Unranked usage: #16 at 9.40%
    Ranked usage: #10 at 13.36%
    Deviation: +6 ranks at +3.96%
    Implication: Underrated. Keldeo is a beast, everyone knows it. And there's a pretty big difference between the ranked and unranked usage behind this Pokemon. Keldeo hasn't even shown its biggest impact on the metagame yet. Its usage is still rising, more people are discovering just how big of a threat this thing is. A 6 rank differentiation with 3.96% usage deviation? That's just too big of a gap for this little monster.

    Gengar
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    Unranked usage: #10
    Ranked usage: #17
    Deviation: -7 ranks
    Implication: Somewhat Overrated. Gengar is one of those Pokemon that everyone loves to have on their teams. I'm not going to lie, Gengar is a great Pokemon. It is immune to Fighting-, Ground-, and Normal-types. And is immune to Toxic/Toxic Spikes and is a Ghost type, meaning it can act as a Rapid Spin blocker! However, Gengar's not really that powerful, it can hardly OHKO most Pokemon with Shadow Ball and Focus Blast combined with its weak defenses, it can't really take a good hit. Not to mention how much hair every player loses from missing a crucial Focus Blast. Higher rated players have realized this so it's not as often used, dropping 7 ranks.

    Salamence
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    Unranked usage: #17
    Ranked usage: #25
    Deviation: -8 ranks
    Implication: Overrated. If you're using a Salamence on your team, than you need to rethink your team because Dragonite and Garchomp have so much more to offer than Salamence. Sure Moxie and Intimidate sound cool, but it's no comparison to Dragonite's awesome Multiscale ability. Not only that Dragonite gets a priority attack, ExtremeSpeed. Higher rated players have found priority attacks to be very beneficial, that's why so many powerful priority attackers are highly overused. Garchomp on the other hand is not weak to Stealth Rock, a huge plus for a metagame overwhelmed by rocks. Garchomp is also faster and a better stall breaker having access to Swords Dance.

    Gliscor
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    Unranked usage: #19
    Ranked usage: #27
    Deviation: -8 ranks
    Implication: Overrated. I'm actually surprised by this one as Gliscor used to be one of the best physical walls in early BW OU. But not anymore. Gliscor can't stop a sweeper Technician Breloom without Acrobatics. And now since Sand Veil is banned, there's less reason to use the Substitute + Acrobatics Gliscor set. Not to mention, with Sheer Force Landorus-I rampant in the metagame, you can't hope for Gliscor to stop it, HP Ice easily OHKOs. Gliscor can't stop Garchomp after a Swords Dance, Ice Fang won't even 2HKO a Garchomp carrying a Yache Berry at full health! Mamoswines are much more common now. So Gliscor has lost much of its shine, and most players are forced to try the Substitute + Toxic + Protect set to stall out their opponents. (And this set is stopped dead by Pokemon such as Gengar, Skarmory, Air Balloon Heatran, etc.

    Espeon
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    Unranked usage: #21
    Ranked usage: #34
    Deviation: -13 ranks
    Implication: Overrated. Espeon is a very overrated Pokemon in OU. Sure Magic Bounce is a great ability, but it's just too predictable. It's too predictable that you're going to send in your Espeon to bounce away Stealth Rocks. Might as well just attack instead because Espeon has terrible defenses. Higher rated players have easily seen this flaw in Espeon and have stopped using it as a way to avoid hazards. Espeon does a better job in Baton Pass chain teams or as a dual screen supporter (and those teams are also not that reliable most of the time).

    Infernape
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    Unranked usage: #27
    Ranked usage: #37
    Deviation: -10 ranks
    Implication: Overrated. Infernape was an excellent Pokemon in Gen 4 OU, but with the advent of BW it lost much of its prowess. Sure its Base 108 Speed is great, but it still gets outsped by the common Latios, Gengar, and Starmie that are rampant in the metagame. Not to mention, Infernape has very feeble defenses. Priority attackers can demolish Infernape, even a resisted Choice Band Bullet Punch from Scizor does a lot of damage. Infernape's Base 104 Atk and SpAtk are also not that impressive in this metagame, too weak to OHKO many threats. There are also many common checks to Infernape: Jellicent, Tentacruel, Gyarados, [email protected], etc.

    Cloyster
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    Unranked usage: #30
    Ranked usage: #42
    Deviation: -12
    Implication: Overrated. Cloyster is one of those Pokemon that has the potential of totally annihilating a whole team after one turn of set up. However, pulling it off isn't quite that easy. Shell Smash lowers both its defenses allowing almost anything to take it down. While White Herb sounds like a great item, Cloyster needs Life Orb to OHKO many bulky threats in OU. Then you have the 25% Stealth Rock weakness which isn't that great. And it doesn't take a Choice Band Bullet Punch from Scizor too well (the most common move in the metagame), nor does it take the common Mach Punches. Sure Cloyster can be a great sweeper, but it requires its own special niche to succeed. You can't just throw it on a team.

    Jolteon
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    Unranked usage: #33
    Ranked usage: #43
    Deviation: -10
    Implication: Overrated. Jolteon is the fastest Pokemon in the OU metagame. While this may sound impressive, it's also one of the worst OU Pokemon in my opinion. Base 110 SpAtk may sound okay, but you're not going to use a Modest Jolteon. It has a terrible movepool and horrendous defenses. Any stall/balanced team eat this thing alive, and any priority attack will deal heavy damage.

    Vaporeon
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    Unranked usage: #35
    Ranked usage: #44
    Deviation: -9
    Implication: Overrated. Vaporeon is most commonly used as a Wish supporter, but it highly outclassed by Jirachi mainly because of effect Jirachi is at checking threats such as Latios, Gengar, Alakazam, etc. And as a bulky Water-type, it's highly outclassed by Jellicent (a Ghost-type that can block spinners and can act as one of the best checks to Keldeo, Scizor, and many other common threats).

    Blissey
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    Unranked usage: #37
    Ranked usage: #45
    Deviation: -8
    Implication: Overrated. Another common Wish supporter that is outclassed by Jirachi. What makes Jirachi a better Wish supporter is its typing and ability to check a Gengar under a Substitute. Blissey would require a SpAtk to break Gengar's Substitute. Blissey also can't take on Latios as well as Jirachi. Specs Draco Meteor still hurts a lot and Psyshock is a big problem. Jirachi, being a Steel-type is a big benefit, ability to take on many common Outragers in the metagame.

    Thundurus-T
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    Unranked usage: #38
    Ranked usage: #29
    Deviation: +9
    Implication: Underrated. Another beast that deserves more usage. It's incarnate form was banned, deemed too powerful. And now you have its therian form, which may be a bit slower but still holds tremendous power. It has a greater SpAtk, Base 145, strongest SpAtking Electric-type. Can annihilate stall teams with Nasty Plot. Volt Absorb is also an excellent ability. It doesn't have to worry about Jirachis in the rain with Thunder. And unlike Jolteon, it's actually significantly more defense and can resist the common priority moves Bullet Punch and Mach Punch. There are very few checks to Thundurus-T in the OU metagame.

    Latias
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    Unranked usage: #41
    Ranked usage: #30
    Deviation: +11
    Implication: Underrated. Latias is actually a very underrated Pokemon. It has great SpDef, which sets it apart from Latios. It is one of the few Pokemon in the OU metagame that can check Keldeo, Thundurus-T, and many special attackers under the rain.

    Kyurem-B
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    Unranked usage: #48
    Ranked usage: #38
    Deviation: +10
    Implication: Underrated. I'm actually not sure why this beast lacks so much usage. In my opinion, it deserves way more usage even in the ranked stats. Base 170 Atk stat and is a Dragon-type Pokemon with access to Outrage? That's just insane regardless of how you look at it. It's movepool isn't even that bad, even has access to a great mix attacking movepool. Very few checks to Kyurem-B in the metagame. It is also a great check to Starmie, Rotom-W, and other devious SpAtkers. We can definitely hope to see a rise in usage for Kyurem-B!


    Weavile
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    Unranked usage: #52
    Ranked usage: #60
    Deviation: -8
    Implication: Overrated. Weavile has a pretty nice typing and speed for a revenge killer, but it's too weak to revenge kill most bulky OU Pokemon. Sure Base 120 Atk sounds great, but you're forgetting its move pool. Base 70 Atk Night Slash and Base 75 Atk Ice Punch, that's just horrible! To make matters worse, it has a 25% Stealth Rock weakness, and is weak to the most common priority attackers in OU, not to mention its feeble defenses (so it's basically weak to any priority attack).

    Ninjask
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    Unranked usage: #54
    Ranked usage: #73
    Deviation: -19
    Implication: Very Overrated. One of the most unreliable Pokemon with an unreliable strategy that plagued the Pokemon world since Gen 4. Unless if you're using Ninjask in a very solid Baton Pass chain team with Espeon, don't bother using it! (My opinion)

    Abomasnow
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    Unranked usage: #65
    Ranked usage: #56
    Deviation: +9
    Implication: Underrated. Abomasnow is actually pretty underrated. It has an excellent typing to fight against the common rain teams and dragon abusers. Rain teams are the most commonly abused weather, so a Hail team would be a great check for that.

    Stoutland
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    Unranked usage: #88
    Ranked usage: #65
    Deviation: +23
    Implication: Very underrated. Stoutland is the best Sand Rush abuser in the OU metagame. With no set up, just by being present in the sandstorm it doubles its Speed stat. This allows it to be a great revenge killer and and late game sweeper. Definitely a Pokemon worth looking at if you're using a Sandstorm team that needs a good revenge killer.

    Porygon2
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    Unranked usage: #78
    Ranked usage: #67
    Deviation: +11
    Implication: Underrated. Eviolite Porygon2 is one of the most defensive Pokemon in the game. Combine it with Trace, the ability to copy many of the most threatening abilities in OU such as Multiscale, Flash Fire, Natural Cure, Levitate, Rough Skin, Poison Heal, Intimidate, and so on, make Porygon2 a great Pokemon to have on your team.

    Azelf
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    Unranked usage: #83
    Ranked usage: #69
    Deviation: +14
    Implication: Underrated. One of the best suicide leads in the OU metagame. Taunt allows you to stop opposing Pokemon from setting up Stealth Rock, and its fast speed allows you to set up your own Stealth Rock so you can go about wrecking the opposing team with heavy offense.

    Kyurem
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    Unranked usage: #101
    Ranked usage: #81
    Deviation: +20
    Implication: Very Underrated. Kyurem-B may have taken much of Kyurem's popularity, but it hasn't taken what Kyurem is best in doing. Kyurem is a SpAtker, with the strongest Draco Meteor in OU (along with Latios). Couple it with Hail, and you also have the strongest Blizzard abuser in OU. Not to mention its Substitute + Roost tactic with Pressure ability is a very annoying thing to deal with. Definitely an underrated Pokemon.

    INCOMPLETE...MORE TO COME!
     
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  2. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Salamence overrated? Hardly. Its faster than Dragonite, and has better attacking stats and a broader movepool than Garchomp. It can also plough through Pokémon Garchomp struggles with like Skarmory. Multiscale is only useful if you can keep hazards away - Intimidate gives Salamence set up opportunities while Moxie makes it unbelievably powerful. If anything I'd say Salamence was underrated. Also, Garchomp would kill for Dragon Dance.

    I'd like to add that Hydreigon is massively underrated. As a wall breaker, it's one of the best OU has to offer due to its amazing movepool. It has no safe switch ins at all.
     
  3. Xdevo

    Xdevo Phrasing Super Moderator Tour Director Super Moderator Tour Director

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    I think that what eternal means by overrated is overused (its not exact but); its not that what people think about these Pokemon, but how much they are used as compared to how much people win (battle above 1000 technically).

    Its not really a good way of actually judging it, but w/e.
     
  4. Eternal

    Eternal こんにちは。

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    Well being overrated doesn't mean that it's a bad Pokemon. Salamence is a great Pokemon, but in the OU metagame next to other powerful Dragon-types such as Dragonite, Latios, and Garchomp, it is quite limited and outclassed in its role. Sure Dragon Dance may sound nice, but it has a very hard time sweeping a whole team when there are common fast Choice Scarf revenge killers. Dragonite possesses Dragon Dance with ExtremeSpeed, which puts it in a class above Salamence regardless of speed. It's not a coincidence that Dragonite has double the usage, and in ranked stats, even more. Garchomp on the other hand is not weak to the common Stealth Rock, allowing it to freely switch in and out without much of a bother. Garchomp is also faster than Salamence, add a Choice Scarf and you can revenge kill a +1 DD Salamence. These are some of the biggest reasons why these two Pokemon are so popular among higher rated players. If you also play OU regularly and observe high rated players, you can easily see the distinction. Why they go for using Dragonite and Garchomp and rarely use Salamence. Salamence has its own unique niche, and it's a small one, deserving of low usage.
     
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  5. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    See I disagree that Salamence is outclassed by Dragonite and Garchomp. While a +2 priority move is nice, Dragonite has to sacrifice vital coverage to fit it in. Give up Fire Punch, Skarmory walls it. Give up Earthquake, Heatran walls it. Using Waterfall, Ferrothorn walls it (in rain Waterfall works well). Dragonite and Garchomp both have issues with Scarf users too. Jirachi, Terrakion and Garchomp can revenge kill Swords Dance Garchomp and Dragonite with ease. None take heavy damage from a +1 Extremespeed, while they can all OHKO with Ice Punch, Stone Edge and Outrage respectively after Stealth Rock. Moxie, better speed and better mixed attacking stats give Salamence a niche over Dragonite. Scarf Salamence can sweep due to Moxie; Scarf Garchomp can't. Salamence can also boost its speed without a Choice Scarf, Garchomp can't. If anything, Salamence is underrated.

    Also adding to underrated, Gyarados, Volcarona and Thundurus-T. If they get the chance to set up, they can all be deadly.
     
  6. Eternal

    Eternal こんにちは。

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    Well you are free to make that opinion. You made a compelling argument and have proved Salamence's niche in the metagame. There's a reason why higher rated players are opting out with Salamence and using something else. If the lower rated player population had more success using Salamence, then they would continue to use it, but that's not the case. Salamence looks great on paper, but once you use it to get high up on the ladder, you're probably going to have a lot of difficulties.

    I would also love to see a team that utilizes Salamence's attributes and is very successful on the ladder. (I actually haven't seen one, other than hyper offensive teams that utilize Salamence with other dragons and Magnezone, but that's a pretty redundant team tactic).

    EDIT: This is just based on data from the stats, and I have given my own "implication" based on my own opinions on whether this Pokemon is overrated or underrated. You are free to make your own implications!
     
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  7. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    I think the usage is because Salamence is a bit like Reshiram in Ubers - you need to babysit it a bit to bring out its best, and Dragonite is lower maintenance. So I can understand why people pass it up for Dragonite or Garchomp, since you can just slap them on pretty much any offensive team. However, saying Salamence is completely outclassed is just not true - it does have a niche, and can be extremely effective.

    Thundurus-T - agree. That thing needs more love. I think Landorus-I gets less use because a lot of people think our OU is the same as Smogon's (it pretty much is - everything they ban, we ban). Weirdly I like its Swords Dance set best - just love the surprise factor when the opponent switches in their physical wall. Please don't ban Landorus.
     
  8. Eternal

    Eternal こんにちは。

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    I think you misunderstood me. I never stated Salamence is completely outclassed, but that it has its own niche. And it shouldn't be used to fit the role that both Dragonite and Garchomp can provide for your team.

    Landorus-I is a big threat in the metagame, but I'm not sure it deserves to be banned. There are still quite enough checks to Landorus-I compared to other major threats in OU like Keldeo. Maybe the most threatening aspect about it is the predictability factor. Place it in a Sandstorm team and your opponent is in fear of whether Landorus-I is a special attacker with Sheer Force or physical attacker with Sand Force.

    Landorus -- Sheer Force
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    --Life Orb--Earth Power, Focus Blast, HP Ice, Rock Polish, U-turn, Psychic, Substitute, Sludge Wave
    Dragonite (Choice Band + ExtremeSpeed) - [HP Ice]
    Latios [U-turn/Sludge Wave]
    Gengar [Rock Polish +/ Psychic]
    Rotom-W [Focus Blast/Sludge Wave]
    Garchomp [Earth Power/HP Ice/Rock Polish]
    Gyarados* [Sludge Wave]
    Celebi [U-turn/Sludge Wave]
    Thundurus-T* [Sludge Wave]
    Blissey [Focus Blast]
    Chansey [Focus Blast]
    Latias [U-turn/Sludge Wave]
    Hydreigon [U-turn/Sludge Wave]
    Togekiss*
    Bronzong [Focus Blast]
    Charizard* [Sludge Wave]
    Azelf [U-turn]
    Crobat* [Psychic]
    Cresselia [U-turn]
    Weezing [Psychic]
    Claydol (Ice Beam) - [U-turn]
    Moltres [Sludge Wave]
    Mismagius
    Scyther**
    Drifblim*
     
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  9. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    Why would you use Expert Belt when Sheer Force attacks don't take LO damage?

    Anyway, the standard Landorus is:

    Modest, earth power / focus miss / HP ice / rock polish or u-turn

    It is pretty potent in Ou
     
  10. CyberOdin

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    Jolteon *.*
     
  11. Liarliarpantsonfire

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    I think Salamence is a better Scarfer and Dragonite is better for Dragon Dance. ScarfChomp is definitely a very good pokemon which is why many highranked players use it, but Salamence can sweep late game more easily thanks to Moxie and being able to run Adamant nature (the power difference between ScarfMence and Chomp is rather significant). Garchomp is more of a revenge-killer (a very good one nonetheless).

    And there is SpecsMence ofcourse, but who uses that anymore? It gets even less usage than DD Latios >.>
     
  12. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    SpecsMence is outclassed by Latios and Hydreigon. MixMence works well though. I think Kyurem-B gets less use because it's weak to hazards and common attack types. Dragon isn't good defensive typing in OU what with all the other Dragons. Ice isn't good defensive typing anywhere. Not to mention it really doesn't have the moves to use that attack stat. As wallbreakers, I think Haxorus and Hydreigon are better. They both have better movepools, better speed and aren't weak to hazards.
     
  13. .Rawr!

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    I feel like Shadow Tag Gothitelle is actually pretty underated in OU. It's ability is a godsend, so she can trap and kill annoying things like skarmory, ferro, forretress, tentacruel, jellicent and a lot of fighting mons in OU. Heck, even Hippowdon have a chance of be OHKOed for Grass Knot. I'ts bulk isn't bad either, she can tank quite a few hits.
    Usually goth uses Choice items (scarf/specs) but i prefer use Expert Belt, becos switch moves and get unexpected kills. So in short, a good mon which deserve more love. (just don't ask a lot of her, shes more like a support poke, its job is trap and KO walls allowing sweepers like the dragons to sweep)
     
  14. WizzleKidd

    WizzleKidd Wizzlin' PO since Feb '11

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    I'm not arguing as the statistics are right there but still in my personal opinion I find it weird that Keldeo is indeed under-rated. Depending on which hidden power it has, you WILL get blocked by something. No Hp electric? Jellicent. No Hp ice? Dragons. and many other examples...

    And random extra, Scizor is the most OU right now and with fairy having steel as a weakness, gen 6 could still see Scizor as top 5... bleh.. Oh, and MegaScizor.. boo.
     
  15. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Fairy's weaknesses haven't been confirmed yet. We know Fairy moves hit Dragon types for SE damage and Fire types resist them, but we don't know their weaknesses yet.
    Source
     
  16. WizzleKidd

    WizzleKidd Wizzlin' PO since Feb '11

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    Ahh come on now man lol.. I know you're trying to stay official and all but the leak's legit and even the demo confirmed fire resists fairy. But this is off-topic :I
     
  17. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Lol the leak is not official. If it was, you can bet Serebii would've uploaded it since they pride themselves on being first on the ground. http://www.serebii.net/xy/fairytype.shtml

    Volcarona is so underrated. If it gets the chance to set up, it can sweep teams with ease.
     
  18. Liarliarpantsonfire

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    Volcarona is actually used quite commonly amongst higher ranked players. It's just that the majority of players prefer to use cookie cutter Rain and Sand teams on which Volcarona doesn't really fit. The 4x Stealth Rock weakness also scares people off.
     
  19. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    I dunno, the Hurricane set fits well on Rain teams since it can demolish pretty much all the Pokémon rain teams struggle with - Celebi, Toxicroak, Ferrothorn, Breloom, etc. It doesn't fit well on Sandstorm teams though.

    Also Landorus has been (wrongly) banned now.
     
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    [Black Knight]Gawain Knight of Zero

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    I think Kyurem-B's actually pretty overrated. It's just about almost always mixed, weak to SR, takes massive damage from the two most common priority moves. Sure it has great stats, but I find it pretty terrible to use.

    Plus I think Azelf can be also pretty good as a sweeper, even without Nasty Plot.

    Agree with just about everything else.
     
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    I don't think Weavile is overrated nor underrated, it sees some usage for its niche in the current OU metagame of fast user of Pursuit, making it a good supporter for Keldeo.

    The rest looks fine imo. Nice guide.
     
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    Blitzamirin Waluigi! Number one!

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    You're right, even more so as the "Psychic resisting Fairy rumor" has been confirmed false. However, you cannot deny that the leak has had 95% of the information right, so it is very possible that Fairy is weak to Steel.

    Also to my understanding Landy-I has been banned from OU so it's no longer underrated.
     
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    I definitely agree with this. Stall is played way less, one of Infernape's best niches in Gen 4 was to break stall. Also, it's Fire Stab moves are weakened in the rain, which is obviously much more common now with Toed, than it ever was in Gen 4 with manual rain. Infernape IMO, still deserves OU, because it is absolutely fantastic on sun teams, and it still has that stab fighting Close Combat, and can grab momentum with U-turn. Victini is already pretty broken in UU, Infernape would be even worse. It is overrated for sure, but in my opinion, it should still be bottom OU.