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[Final] Haxorus update

Discussion in 'Gen 5 OU Analyses' started by Alfalfa, Oct 20, 2013.

  1. Alfalfa

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    This analysis does not even mention Kyurem-B, who gives Haxorus a run for its money.

    ==General==
    Haxorus has always been a powerhouse since its introduction in 2010. With a beastly base 147 attack, as well as access to both Dragon Dance and Swords Dance, Haxorus has all the tools it needs to wreak havoc. However, the transition to BW2 was a mixed bag; one one hand, Haxorus has acquired access to the move Superpower, which allows it to blow through Steel-types much easier. However, a bitter rival, Kyurem-B, has joined the frey in OU. Kyurem-B has enough physical power to blow through even Steel-types that resists its Outrage, a usable base 120 Special Attack, a similar speed stat, the same ability as Haxorus, and much better bulk for taking hits, as well as a great secondary STAB. Meanwhile, Haxorus' only advantage is access to Dragon Dance, Swords Dance, and different coverage moves. In addition, Kyurem-B's superior defenses and access to Roost has left Haxorus in the dust, as it is much more difficult to defeat. As a result, Haxorus has fallen from one of the top threats to the bottom of the barrel in OU.

    However, not all is gloomy for the Dragon. As mentioned before, it has access to both Dragon Dance and Swords Dance, two boosting moves that Kyurem-B drools over. As a result, it can boost its attack to higher heights than its direct competition, making it very difficult to wall. In addition, Haxorus has physical Fighting-type moves available to ram through the bulkiest of Steel-types, whereas Kyurem-B does not even have Earthquake. Furthermore, Haxorus takes less damage from Stealth Rock, and can handle hazards much easier, which is crucial in a metagame infested with Stealth Rock users. In the end, Haxorus is no longer amongst the top of OU, but it is still a menace to deal with. However, be sure that its advantages over Kyurem-B are being utilized, because if it is not, then Kyurem-B would be a better choice.

    ==Choice Band==
    {{set
    |name=Choice Band
    |item=Choice Band
    |ability=Mold Breaker
    |ev=4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    |nature=Adamant
    |move1=Outrage
    |move2=Earthquake
    |move3=Superpower
    |move4=Aqua Tail|move41=Dragon Claw|move42=Dual Chop}}

    Choice Band Haxorus is easier to use than his Swords Dance variant, but the rewards have lower potential. Although this set may seem outclassed by Kyurem-B, who can also pull off a Choice Band set, Haxorus' different movepool is a unique factor. Kyurem-B has no access to either Superpower nor Earthquake, which Haxorus can use to wear down Steel-types. Outrage is Haxorus' most powerful attack, and can pack quite a punch; as an example to its power, it 2HKOes offensive Heatran and bulky Scizor after Stealth Rock. Superpower covers Ferrothorn, and hits as hard as a STAB Dragon Claw, which is very noteworthy. Earthquake covers Jirachi and Bronzong, who are easily picked off by it. Aqua Tail in rain allows Haxorus to dish out additional damage against Gliscor, Landorus-T, Forretress, and Skarmory, whom are put into 2HKO range in rain. However, Dragon Claw and Dual Chop can be used outside of rain, where Aqua Tail is much weaker, as a safer Dragon STAB than Outrage; Dragon Claw is more accurate than Dual Chop, but Dual Chop can break through Substitutes.

    ===Synergy===
    The first thing to consider when using Banded Haxorus is Drizzle support from Politoed: this powers up Haxorus' Aqua Tail, allowing it to muscle through some additional walls. Entry hazard support is also a good idea: with Stealth Rock and Rain, Haxorus now has a close-to-guaranteed chance to 2HKO Skarmory, and in addition to Spikes, can 2HKO Forretress. Celebi and Jirachi can lay down Stealth Rock while walling some offensive checks to Haxorus, such as Breloom and Latios. A Skarmory or Forretress of Haxorus' own can lay down Spikes. Priority users, such as Mamoswine, Scizor, and Weavile are annoying to this set, as they can easily pick it off; bulky Gyarados can set up on most priority users, and appreciates some of its counters gone, such as Ferrothorn. Skarmory and Scizor are also good at handling priority users as well. Rapid Spin support is a good idea to make sure Haxorus does not wear down too easily; Starmie, Tentacruel, and Forretress are good teammates to spin. Haxorus is meant to be used as a wallbreaker, so pokemon that appreciate their counters gone, such as Gengar and Latios, will appreciate Haxorus' wallbreaking capabilities.

    ==Swords Dance==
    {{set
    |name=Swords Dance
    |item=Fighting Gem|item1=Life Orb
    |ability=Mold Breaker
    |ev=4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    |nature=Adamant
    |move1=Swords Dance
    |move2=Outrage
    |move3=Superpower|item31=Low Kick
    |move4=Substitute|move41=Aqua Tail}}

    When the idea of "Gold Standard for power in OU" comes to mind, the first things that come up are Breloom, Keldeo in Rain, Kyurem-B, Latios, etc. However, Swords Dance Haxorus is just as powerful. After a Swords Dance boost, Haxorus hits an attack stat of 864 - which is enough bulldoze straight through some of the most physically bulky Pokemon in the metagame, such as Skarmory and Landorus-T. Outrage destroys every Pokemon that is not a Steel-type, and always OHKOs Dragonite, as Mold Breaker nullifies Multiscale. Superpower with Fighting Gem allows Haxorus to get past some resists; for example, it allows Haxorus to 2HKO Skarmory and Forretress, who could easily tank an Outrage. However, Low Kick in conjunction with Aqua Tail has a similar effect, but forgoes the use of Substitute in the fourth slot. Substitute allows Haxorus to have a free barrier against revenge killers, such as Latios and Keldeo. However, Aqua Tail with Low Kick allows Haxorus to avoid drops from Superpower.

    The item is based on the moveset; Fighting Gem should be used with Superpower and Substitute, as Haxorus will be able to get past everything that tanks Outrage with a Fighting Gem-boosted Superpower. However, if Haxorus is running Low Kick + Aqua Tail, then Life Orb should be used to get the appropriate power boost for tearing down walls.

    ===Synergy===
    Haxorus is already very good at tearing down walls, but it does need some support to do such. If Aqua Tail is being used, then Politoed is a necessary teammate to increase the power even further. With Life Orb, Rain, and Stealth Rock being taken into the equation, Haxorus has a 50% chance to OHKO Skarmory, a testimony to how much power it has. Haxorus gets worn down by entry hazards very easily, especially considering it will be running either Substitute or Life Orb on its set. Starmie, Forretress, and Tentacruel are good teammates for this; Starmie and Tentacruel can check Keldeo, Starmie and Forretress can check Mamoswine, and Forretress can lay down Stealth Rock, allowing Haxorus to have a better-match up against Skarmory. Wobbuffet pairs well with Haxorus, being able to remove Choice Scarf users for it, while providing several set-up opportunities using Encore. Dual Screens users, such as Cresselia, Espeon, and Latias make Haxorus much more difficult to taking down by doubling its defenses. Haxorus dislikes priority users, regardless of the situation; bulky Gyarados is a good teammate, being able to set up on the priority users that trouble Haxorus, while appreciating its counters being gone. Scizor can also handle most priority users as well. This set is meant to be used as a wallbreaker; sweepers that appreciate their counters gone, such as Landorus-T, Cloyster, Garchomp, and Volcarona are good teammates.

    ==Dragon Dance==
    {{set
    |name=Dragon Dance
    |item=Lum Berry|item1=Yache Berry
    |ability=Mold Breaker
    |ev=4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    |nature=Adamant|nature1=Jolly
    |move1=Dragon Dance
    |move2=Outrage
    |move3=Earthquake
    |move4=Swords Dance|move41=Superpower|move42=Low Kick}}

    Is Haxorus too slow for your tastes? If the answer is yes, then Dragon Dance can help alleviate this issue. After one Dragon Dance, Haxorus outspeeds anything that is not a Choice Scarf or Chlorophyll/Sand Rush abuser. The +1 boost in attack is still very useful, and can still demolish several Pokemon in its path. Outrage is Haxorus' most powerful attack, and will destroy anything that does not resist it. Earthquake provides coverage against Jirachi and Bronzong, the latter of which is vulnerable to Mold Breaker. Swords Dance allows Haxorus to destroy walls with its sheer power, though getting both a Dragon Dance and a Swords Dance boost can be difficult. Superpower hits Ferrothorn, but the drops can be a bit discouraging. Low Kick gets coverage on Ferrothorn, who would otherwise cripple Haxorus with Gyro Ball, Thunder Wave, or Leech Seed. Despite having a variable base power, Low Kick generally hits its designated targets hard.

    Lum Berry is the preferred item to give Haxorus a free barrier against status, especially against the confusion effects from Outrage. However, Yache Berry cuts the power of Ice Shard in half just once, allowing Haxorus to destroy Ice Shard users back.

    ===Synergy===
    Skarmory and Forretress give Dragon Dance Haxorus a lot of problems, as well as Ferrothorn if Haxorus is not running Low Kick. Magnezone can trap all three of them and KO them with Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Fire. Faster Choice Scarf users, such as Garchomp, Keldeo, and Latios can easily revenge kill this set; Wobuffet can trap Choice Scarf users and KO them, while providing solid set-up opportunities for Haxorus using Encore. Landorus-T is annoying for this set with its ability in Intimidate; mixed attackers, such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Infernape can lure in and KO it. Priority users are a problematic for this set, as they can wear it down rather easily. Skarmory is a good teammate for Haxorus, being able to set up Spikes, while checking a majority of the priority users in OU. Scizor is a less effective check, but can still check them nonetheless. Rotom-W is also a solid answer to every priority user, sans Dragonite, Breloom, and Infernape. Dual Screens users, such as Espeon, Latias, and Cresselia are useful teammates, as they can bolster Haxorus' defenses so it can get in an additional boost or two.

    ===Other Options===
    Although Choice Scarf was once an important item for Haxorus, the introduction of Kyurem-B has left it in the dust. However, Haxorus is not weak to Stealth Rock, and is less vulnerable to priority attacks, so it is still a viable choice. Rivalry is a risk-reward ability, as the attack boosts that can potentially be acquired can be major boosts. On the flip side, the drops can be a major liability. Taunt can prevent walls from setting up on Haxorus, but Haxorus generally has enough power that it would not need it. Other items, such as Haban Berry, Draco Plate, and Leftovers can be used, but the items mentioned above are better. Haxorus is too fragile to make use of Haban Berry and Leftovers, and Draco Plate does not power up its coverage moves, which is important for it. Haxorus has access to Dragon Tail, but it is too fragile to make use of it. Other attacks, such as X-Scissor, Night Slash, Return, and Shadow Claw can be used, but the targests that would be affected are already hit hard by Outrage. Haxorus has acess to special attacks in Draco Meteor, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, but a pathetic base 60 Attack will not give too much power to them. Counter can nab a surprise KO, but Haxorus already hits hard as is. A bulky set looks like a good idea to avoid getting down as easily, which allows Haxorus to acquire some additional boosts, but it is so fragile, and does not appreciate the loss of Attack or Speed EVs.

    ==Checks & Counters==
    Skarmory is the best counter to Haxorus there is available. It resists Outrage, and can Roost off damage or phaze it out; however, a +2 Fighting Gem Superpower or a rain-boosted Aqua Tail will hit it quite hard, and can even OHKO it. Other Steel-types can do an okay job at beating Haxorus, but none of them are on par with Skarmory, and most of them hate Superpower or a rain-boosted Aqua Tail to begin with. Checking Haxorus is also quite easy, due to its pathetic bulk and meager speed; Mamoswine, Weavile, and Scizor can easily dispose of Haxorus, and to a much lesser extent, Breloom, with their powerful priority attacks. Faster Choice Scarf users, such as Latios, Keldeo, and Garchomp can easily remove Haxorus from the match. Abomasnow cannot switch into Haxorus, but it summons hail, which wears it down very easily, and can hit it hard with a STAB Ice Shard. Landorus-T can Intimidate Haxorus, but it is still 2HKOed by a +0 Outrage, and is easily OHKOed by a rain-boosted Aqua Tail. Overall, using Skarmory or revenge killers is pretty much the best method to taking on Haxorus, as its raw power is not easy to match up against.

    Skeleton
    [secret]
    *Haxorus is still an OU powerhouse, with a beastly base 147 attack stat, as well as access to both Dragon Dance and Swords Dance.
    *The transition to BW2 was a mixed bag; on one hand, Haxorus has acquired access to Superpower, which allows it to blow through Steel-types much easier. However, the bane of Haxorus' existence - Kyurem-B, has been introduced to OU.
    **Kyurem-B has enough physical power to blow through even Steel-types, a usable base 120 special attack, a similar speed stat, better bulk, the same ability as Haxorus, and a great secondary STAB, whereas Haxorus has just two points of speed and two boosting moves
    *When using Haxorus, make sure you are not using it in a way that Kyurem-B does better

    Haxorus @ Fighting Gem / Life Orb
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Outrage
    - Superpower / Low Kick
    - Substitute / Aqua Tail

    - What is the strongest attacker in OU after a Swords Dance - Breloom? Garchomp? The answer is Haxorus
    - With a Swords Dance, Haxorus reaches 864 Attack - a stat that both Kyurem-B and Garchomp drool over
    - Outrage destroys every Pokemon that is not a Steel-type, and always OHKOs Dragonite, as Mold Breaker nullifies Multiscale.
    - With a Fighting Gem, Superpower allows Haxorus to ram right through even the bulkiest of Steel-types, such as Forretress and Skarmory. However, Low Kick in conjunction with Aqua Tail does the same thing, but forgoes Substitute
    - Substitute protects Haxorus from revenge killers, whereas Aqua Tail covers Steel-types that would tank Low Kick quite easily.
    - Substitute should not be used with Life Orb, as it will wear down Haxorus too quickly. Aqua Tail also should only be used with Low Kick, as it allows Haxorus to cover the Steel-types that would easily tank Low Kick, such as Skarmory and Jirachi. Aqua Tail also annihilates Landorus-T and Gliscor
    - Fighting Gem allows Haxorus to plow through Steel-types using Superpower. Life Orb with Aqua Tail and Low Kick gives recoil instead of drops

    - If Aqua Tail is being used, Politoed is a good teammate to increase the power even further. With Life Orb, Rain, and Stealth Rock, Haxorus has a 50% chance to OHKO Skarmory
    - Haxorus gets worn down by entry hazards very easily; Starmie, Forretress, and Tentacruel are good Rapid Spinners to pair with Haxorus; Starmie and Tentacruel can check Keldeo, Starmie and Forretress check Mamoswine, and Forretress can lay down Stealth Rock, which gives Haxorus a better match-up against Skarmory
    - Wobbuffet pairs well with Haxorus, being able to remove Choice Scarf users for it, and providing several set-up opportunities using Encore
    - Dual Screens users, like Cresselia, Espeon, and Latias make Haxorus much more difficult to take down
    - Haxorus dislikes priority users, regardless of the situation; bulky Gyarados is a good teammate, appreciating its counters gone, and can set up on the priority users that trouble Haxorus. Scizor can also handle most of them as well.
    - This set is meant to be used as a wallbreaker; sweepers that appreciate their counters gone, such as Landorus-T, Cloyster, Garchomp, and Volcarona are good teammates

    Haxorus @ Choice Band
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Outrage
    - Superpower
    - Earthquake
    - Aqua Tail / Dragon Claw / Dual Chop

    - This set is a bit less of a risk/reward factor, being much easier to use, but the rewards are at a lower potential
    - Outrage is still very strong, and can 2HKO offensive Heatran and bulky Scizor after Stealth Rock
    - Superpower OHKOs Ferrothorn, and is as strong as a STAB Dragon Claw or Dual Chop
    - Earthquake does a lot of damage to Jirachi and Bronzong
    - Aqua Tail in rain does a lot of damage to Landorus-T, Gliscor, Forretress, and Skarmory; however, outside of rain, it is pretty useless
    - Dragon Claw is for when Outrage is unnecessary, but Dual Chop has the same power and can come of more use against Substitute users, though the accuracy is a bit shaky

    - Politoed's Drizzle powers up Aqua Tail
    - If Aqua Tail is used, the need for entry hazards is even more necessary; with Stealth Rock, Haxorus now has a close-to-guaranteed chance to 2HKO Skarmory, and in addition to Spikes, can 2HKO Forretress. Celebi and Jirachi can lay down Stealth Rock while walling some offensive checks to Haxorus, such as Breloom and Latios. A Skarmory or Forretress of Haxorus' own can lay down Spikes
    - Priority users, such as Mamoswine, Scizor, and Weavile are annoying to this set; bulky Gyarados can set up on most priority users, and appreciates some of its counters gone. Skarmory and Scizor can also handle them as well.
    - Rapid Spin support is a good idea to make sure Haxorus does not wear down too easily; Starmie, Tentacruel, and Forretress are good teammates to spin
    - Pokemon that appreciate some of the counters gone (ie Heatran, Ferrothorn, Scizor), such as Gengar and Latios, will appreciate Haxorus' wallbreaking capabilities.

    Haxorus @ Lum Berry / Yache Berry
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature / Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Low Kick / Taunt

    - Is Haxorus too slow for your tastes? Dragon Dance helps alleviate this issue, being able to outspeed all but the fastest demons in OU
    - Outrage will do a lot of damage to most offensive Pokemon, sans Jirachi and Scizor
    - Earthquake covers Jirachi, who would attempt to paraflinch Haxorus to death
    - Low Kick hits Ferrothorn and Air Balloon Heatran, who would otherwise be a pain in the neck. Taunt, on the other hand, allows Haxorus to avoid some phazing and status moves.
    - Lum Berry gives Haxorus a one-use barrier against status, whether it be burns, Poison, paralysis, or confusion from Outrage. However, Yache Berry cuts the power of Ice Shard in half once, allowing Haxorus to KO Ice Shard users back.

    *Skarmory and Forretress give this set a lot of problems; Magnezone can trap and KO them both with Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Fire.
    *Faster Choice Scarf users, such as Garchomp, Keldeo, and Latios can easily revenge kill this set; Wobbuffet can trap Choice Scarf users and KO them, while providing solid set-up opportunities for Haxorus.
    *Landorus-T can annoy this set very easily; mixed attackers, such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Infernape can lure it in and KO it.
    *Skarmory is a good teammate for Haxorus, being able to set up Spikes, while checking some of the priority users that trouble it. Scizor is a less effective, yet still usable, check to other priority users. Rotom-W can check every priority user, sans Dragonite and Breloom.
    *Dual Screens users, such as Espeon, Latias, and Cresselia are very useful in allowing Haxorus to grab some boosts

    ==Double Dance==
    Haxorus @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature / Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Swords Dance
    - Outrage
    - Low Kick / Earthquake

    - This Haxorus set is very difficult to pull off, but covers both offensive and defensive teams
    - With Dragon Dance, offensive teams are pressured, whereas with Swords Dance, defensive teams are covered
    - Outrage is Haxorus' most powerful attack, and destroys anything that is not a Steel-type
    - Low Kick allows Haxorus to handle Ferrothorn, whereas Earthquake covers Jirachi and Bronzong. Both moves cover Heatran and Forretress
    - Lum Berry is the most useful item here, allowing Haxorus to get off scot-free from status or confusion once

    - Steel-types are a roadblock for this set, especially Skarmory; Magnezone can trap and KO Steel-types so Haxorus can demolish teams
    - Dual Screens support from Cresselia, Espeon, and Latias comes handy in allowing Haxorus to grab multiple boosts in
    - Skarmory and Scizor can check priority users, who would otherwise KO Haxorus before it can set up successfully
    - Wobbuffet traps and KOs faster Choice Scarf users before they can revenge kill Haxorus
    - Trick users, such as Jirachi and Rotom-W, can lock an opponent into a move, which can give Haxorus a free turn to set up
    - Politoed is a good teammate, as Haxorus does not like being worn down from Sand or Hail.

    - Choice Scarf is outclassed by Kyurem-B, but Haxorus is not weak to Stealth Rock, so it can still be used
    - Other items, such as Haban Berry, Draco Plate, and Leftovers can be used, but the items mentioned in the sets are better. Haxorus is going to be OHKOed by a Dragon-type to begin with, Draco Plate is a bit situational, and Haxorus is really fragile to begin with, and does not need Leftovers.
    - Rivalry is a risk-reward ability, but Haxorus already has consistency issues to begin with.
    - Haxorus has access to X-Scissor, Night Slash, Return, and Shadow Claw as physical attacks, but the targets that would be affected are already hit hard by Outrage.
    - Haxorus has access to Special Attacks, such as Draco Meteor, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, but a paltry base 60 Special Attack will not power up those moves very much.
    - Counter and can nab a surprise KO, but Haxorus already hits hard as is.
    - A bulky set looks like a good idea to avoid getting worn down as easily, so Haxorus can get in additional boosts, but it is very fragile to begin with, and will not appreciate the loss in Speed or Attack EVs

    - Skarmory is the best counter there is available, but even it will fall to the Swords Dance set, with a +2 Fighting Gem Superpower or a rain-boosted Aqua Tail hitting quite hard.
    - Other Steel-types are okay, but not as effective
    - Priority wears down Haxorus quickly; Mamoswine, Weavile, and Scizor can easily dispose of Haxorus.
    - Faster Choice Scarf users, such as Latios, Keldeo, and Garchomp can easily dispose of Haxorus
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  2. Finchinator

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    Hello there, good skeleton.

    First off, I'm going to advise putting Choice Banded Haxorus as the first set as it is, in my opinion, Haxorus' best set and also has quite a big niche in the metagame as a wallbreaker with decent speed and coverage.

    Secondly, I would say that a better Swords Dance set would be:

    Haxorus (M) @ Lum Berry / Life Orb
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) / Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Taunt / Superpower
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake

    Be sure to emphasize the ability to taunt pokemon like Skarmory, Forretress, etc. and then goto a teamate (synergy!) like Magnezone or Rotom-W to trap/wall them. Also, discuss the valuable combination that is Mold Breaker and Earthquake (meaning you don't need to lock into outrage against pokemon such as Rotom-W). This set was utilized on a few good teams such as IFM's DragMag and is an overall potent utility on DragMag and offensive teams that it fits into.

    Next, combining the Double Dance and Dragon Dance sets into one set could be a possibility. It would ultimately look like:

    Haxorus (M) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) / Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Swords Dance / Superpower / Low Kick

    Feel free to keep it as it is, either works I suppose.

    Overall, this analysis was very good and thank you for contributing. The Other Options could do without mentions of Return and Shadow Claw that litteraly gain no coverage. However, they still are technically other options and are part of the movepool, so it'll suffice. In addition, the mentions of Special Haxorus (Draco Meteor, Focus Blast, Grass Knot) don't really have any place in the analysis, either. But, as I said before, they don't exactly need to be deleted as some extra information doesn't hurt as long as it is emphasized that they're all gimmicky and typically uneffective / outclassed!

    Implement the appropriate changes based off of the aforementioned suggestions and I'll approve
     
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    +2 252+ Atk Fighting Gem Haxorus Superpower vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 268-316 (81.95 - 96.63%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
    +2 252+ Atk Fighting Gem Haxorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Forretress: 268-316 (75.7 - 89.26%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

    I do not see the reason to run Taunt on Haxorus when I can just ram right through Skarmory or leave it in KO range with Forretress. It also allows Haxorus to OHKO Ferrothorn. Rain-boosted Aqua Tail has a similar merit to Superpower when used in tandem with Low Kick.

    I will consider merging Double Dance with Dragon Dance, I will get it when I can get back on.
     
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  4. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    Taunt can prevent phasing, setting-up, etc.
    It's an overall great utility move and works on haxorus.

    If you don't want it mentioned, it's your skeleton - feel free to not impliment it.
     
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    I made some of the changes Finch asked for, like merging Dragon Dance with Double Dance.
     
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