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[Final] Mienshao - Current Analysis Incomplete

Discussion in 'Gen 5 UU Analyses' started by Alfalfa, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. Alfalfa

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    The current analysis is a bit outdated, mentioning Claydol, who is really not a good Pokemon in UU. Furthermore, it lacks some information, so I will fill that in.

    ==General==
    After failing to leave an everlasting impression in the standard metagame, Mienshao has dropped a tier and now finds itself in UU. However, if you think that this means that Mienshao is less of a threat, you are sorely mistaken. Mienshao is easily one of the most dangerous Pokémon in the tier; not only does it have the attack of {{gen5uu|Heracross}}, but it also has a great 105 base speed and a respectable 95 base Special Attack, making it a much faster, and more versatile Fighting-type. This means that even physical walls like Gligar and Tangrowth, who are normally the go-to Pokémon against physical sweeping behemoths, can quickly fall victim to its wrath. This ferocious Fighting type also has access to two fantastic abilities, [[Regenerator]] and [[Reckless]], making it even more difficult for the opposition to handle.

    However, Mienshao is by no means a perfect Pokémon; while its offensive prowess is impressive, its defenses are very fragile, and even weak STAB moves will leave large bruises on it. Another thing you must take into account when using Mienshao is that while its Reckless-boosted Hi Jump Kick is certainly a move to be feared, it is very easy to play around with the plethora of Ghost types in the tier, and if it misses, it comes at the cost of half of its already very short lifespan. In spite of Mienshao's glaring flaws, it is an opponent to be feared and underestimating it will not go unpunished.

    ==Choice Scarf==
    {{set
    |name=Choice Scarf
    |pkmn=Mienshao
    |item=Choice Scarf
    |ability=Regenerator
    |ability2=Reckless
    |nature=Jolly
    |nature=Hasty
    |ev=252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    |move1=Hi Jump Kick
    |move2=U-turn
    |move3=Stone Edge
    |move4=Aerial Ace|move41=Hidden Power Ice}}

    Mienshao is also capable of pulling off an effective Choice Scarf set. With great base 105 Speed that allows it to outpace some of the most common Choice Scarf users in the tier, such as Heracross and {{gen5uu|Chandelure}}, Mienshao can easily prove to be an effective revenge killer. Hi Jump Kick is Mienshao's main attack, and anything that does not resist it or is immune to it will understand Mienshao's true power. U-turn allows Mienshao to switch out and gain momentum for its team, and works great with Regenerator. Stone Edge allows Mienshao to hit Chandelure, {{gen5uuCrobat}}, and {{gen5uu|Zapdos}}, who would otherwise be able to tank Mienshao without much difficulty. The fourth slot depends on the team's needs: Aerial Ace allows Mienshao to defeat Choice Scarf Heracross, a very dangerous threat in the metagame, as well as getting Super Effective hits on {{gen5uu|Roserade}} and {{gen5uu|Virizion}}. However, Hidden Power Ice allows Mienshao to defeat Gligar, who would wall this set with ease.

    Regenerator is the preferred ability, allowing Mienshao to recover its HP upon switching out. However, Reckless adds some additional power to its Hi Jump Kick, allowing it to hit the opponent harder, but the loss of durability is highly noticeable.

    ==Synergy==
    Mienshao is meant to play as a revenge killer, but some support would be appreciate. Ghost-type removal from Pokemon like Chandelure and Weavile is appreciated, as Mienshao can now have a much easier time spamming Hi Jump Kick. Pokemon that can set up on Mienshao's switch-ins, such as Raikou and Scrafty, appreciate its ability to bait in Pokemon that normaly trouble it. Entry hazard support is useful, especially with Reckless; for example, a Reckless-boosted Hi Jump Kick can OHKO Flygon after Stealth Rock. Rhyperior and Bronzong can lay down Stealth Rock, and appreciate Mienshao's ability to remove Heracross and Chandelure from the match. If Mienshao is not running Aerial Ace, then Heracross can be a bit problematic. Sableye and Cofagrigus can block Heracross' Close Combat, as well as providing solid spinblockers to defend hazards.

    ==All-Out Attacker==
    {{set
    |name=All Out Attacker
    |pkmn=Mienshao
    |item=Life Orb
    |ability=Regenerator
    |nature=Hasty
    |ev=252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    |move1=Hi Jump Kick
    |move2=U-turn
    |move3=Stone Edge
    |move4=Hidden Power Ice}}


    One quick glance at this glance, and it is easy to see why Mienshao is both such a common sight and a great threat in this metagame. Regenerator is the preferred ability, and while Reckless is a perfectly usable ability- Regenerator heals more than 30% of its HP and considering both its frailty and Life Orb damage, it offers more to Mienshao than Reckless. Hi Jump Kick is the STAB of choice, and even without Reckless, it still packs a hell of a punch- or kick for that matter! Any opponent that does not resist this attack will sustain a ton of damage, if not get KO'd. U-turn is a key move to this set; You deal damage, and if the opponent brings in a check or counter, you use this to switch out, activate Regenerator and come back out to play again. Stone Edge helps you handle Flying-types such as Zapdos and Crobat, who would otherwise have nothing to fear against Mienshao's onslaught. The fourth move, Hidden Power Ice, allows Mienshao to get past Gligar, who would otherwise wall it day and night.

    Some other move options are available. Aerial Ace can be used to hit Heracross, as well as Virizion and Roserade, but without the Choice Scarf, Mienshao fails to outspeed Choice Scarf Heracross, which is the most common Heracross set in the tier. Fake Out is Mienshao's only form of priority, but it is very weak, and leaves Mienshao as bait for the Pokemon that check or wall it, such as Cofagrigus, Zapdos, and Gligar.

    ==Synergy==
    Mienshao struggles mightily against Ghost types, so a [[Pursuit]] user is very much appreciated alongside it. Although its frail, {{gen5uu|Weavile}} is a great Pursuiter, being able to easily KO these Ghost types, and has great synergy with Mienshao. In most games, Mienshao will be switching out very often. Although it is not weak to Stealth Rock, entry hazards can pose a potentially major problem to Mienshao as it puts a bind on its already extreme frailty. {{gen5uu|Blastoise}} and is a good spinner, since it offers solid defenses and synergy. {{gen5uu|Xatu}} can also form a VoltTurn core with Mienshao, and can Magic Bounce hazards back on the opponent, though it is less consistent than Blastoise.

    ==Substitute Attacker==
    {{set
    |name=Substitute Attacker
    |pkmn=Mienshao
    |item=Life Orb
    |ability=Regenerator
    |nature=Jolly
    |ev=252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe
    |move1=Substitute
    |move2=Baton Pass
    |move3=Hi Jump Kick
    |move4=Stone Edge|move41=Swords Dance}}

    This set looks like it is inclined around Baton Passing substitutes, but it is actually played in a different way: it aims to bait in defensive checks to Mienshao, such as Slowbro and Gligar, and switch out into a teammate, giving them a free turn to set up. In addition, Mienshao still keeps a respectable amount of power and coverage. Hi Jump Kick is Mienshao's most powerful attack, and will pummel anything that does not resist it, or is immune to it. Stone Edge retains coverage against Crobat, Chandelure, Zapdos, etc. However, Swords Dance can be used with Baton Pass to pass a boost to another physical attacker, such as Arcanine, Heracross, or [[Metagross/5th Gen UU]]. Life Orb and Substitute recoil seems overwhelming, but Regenerator and Baton Pass compensate this, as Mienshao will heal a third of its HP upon switching.

    ==Synergy==
    This set is completely shut down by Sableye, and needs a teammate to remove it. Shaymin is a good teammate, being able to destroy Slowbro/{{gen5UU|Slowking}}, {{gen5uu|Qwilfish}}, Gligar, and Sableye, while still being able to keep its Substitute intact half of the time. {{gen5UU|Tornadus}} can also beat Sableye with its priority Taunt, and appreciates a barrier to use while setting up with Rain Dance or Bulk Up. Zapdos and {{gen5uu|Rhyperior}} can beat Crobat, a common switch-in to Mienshao, the latter being able to lay down Stealth Rock as well. Metagross can steamroll through most of Mienshao's defensive checks, with its excellent power and coverage, and has little difficulty abusing a Substitute. If Mienshao is running Swords Dance, teammates that can make use of a +2 boost to Attack are good teammates. Arcanine, Heracross, and Metagross are good examples of such; Arcanine can easily beat Sableye, Heracross can be a beast with a Swords Dance and Choice Boost, and Metagross can run Agility in tandem with the Attack boost to start a sweep. Metagross is also capable of beating every wall in the tier with its raw power.

    ==Other Options==
    Mienshao has a pretty good movepool, and can make use of it. The most viable option not mentioned is a specially offensive set, consisting of Aura Sphere, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, and a filler move; this can catch several of Mienshao's counters off-guard, and can leave the opponent scratching their head. Toxic wears down most of Mienshao's counters, though finding a spot for it is difficult. Drain Punch is much less riskier than Hi Jump Kick, but the power drop is very easy to notice, and makes it a liability. Mienshao can make use of Swords Dance + 3 attacks, making it very difficult to wall, but it has issues finding the opportunity to set up. Mienshao has other boosting moves in Calm Mind, Work Up, and Bulk Up, but a +1 boost is not enough for Mienshao to use. Fake Out looks tempting, as it is Mienshao's only form of priority, but once your opponent finds out you have it, it can be played around very easily, and can give free turns to the opponent. Choice Band is also tempting, but Life Orb is a better choice, as Mienshao can heal itself with Regenerator. However, a Choice Band, Reckless-boosted Hi Jump Kick has the ability to 2HKO {{gen5UU|Xatu}} after Stealth Rock, which is notable, considering that Xatu has a 4x resistance to Fighting-type attacks.

    ==Checks & Counters==
    Ghost types in particular tend to give Mienshao the most trouble. {{gen5uu|Cofagrigus}} is the #1 counter, taking nothing from all of Mienshao's attacks, and being able to hit it hard back with Shadow Ball. Sableye has priority Will-O-Wisp, which can cut Mienshao's physical power in half, but it cannot switch in on a Stone Edge. Qwilfish is another good stop to any non-Substitute set, being able to Intimdate Mienshao and cut off some of its power. [[Arcanine/5th Gen UU]] is in a similar boat, also packing access to Intimidate, but needs to watch for Stone Edge. [[Slowbro/5th Gen UU]] and [[Gligar/5th Gen UU]] can also effectively wall Mienshao, although the latter is a much shakier option as most sets run Hidden Power Ice, which can easily take it out in two hits. Mienshao is also very fragile, and can be revenge killed quite easily; Metagross and Arcanine's priority Bullet Punch and Extremespeed can do over 60% to Mienshao with a Choice Band equipped. Mienshao without a Choice Scarf can be taken down by Choice Scarf users, such as Flygon andChandelure.
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2013
  2. Spoovo The Pirate

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    I'd give Reckless a strong mention with Choice Band, as it boosts High Jump Kick's power to obscene levels, even enough to 2HKO bulky resists:

    252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Mienshao Hi Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Claydol: 141-167 (43.51 - 51.54%) -- 10.94% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
    252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Mienshao Hi Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Xatu: 136-160 (40.71 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

    Granted, this is far from an ideal situation, as it just baits a Chandelure / Cofagrigus switch in, but dat powah.

    Also, there's a few grammar problems I noticed on the way, mostly with 'its' and 'it's'.
     
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    scarf should be the first set

    all-out attacker needs a mention of fake out somewhere. priority is always appreciated on an offensive pokemon and "predictable" is more player reliant than anything else

    Sub set needs a mention of Swords Dance somewhere
     
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    Claydol is not a very viable Pokemon in UU; it is more of a nichemon, meaning it is specialized towards fitting on a small number of teams. However, the ability to 2HKO Xatu after Stealth Rock is notable, so I will put that in there. I also fixed that grammar issues, thanks for pointing those out.


    I will put Scarf as first set, and I will mention Swords Dance in the Sub set. I will mention Fake Out in the set comments, but I am not giving it a slash, as Mienshao can not really abuse it as much as it would like to.
     
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    Oh, I know Claydol's far from a top tier UU threat, but it was a good example in terms of damage calcs given how damn bulky the thing is.
     
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    Add a reason why one might wish to pick Reckless over Regenerator for the Scarf set, like a bit of extra power to nail down other Pokemon as a good mid/late game sweeper. Aside from that, Meowmix pretty much laid down the fundamentals of which you need to write, which you did. I think also it would be nice if you mentioned a ghost may do well as a partner to spinblock and also serve as an immunity to block Heracross if your Mienshao lacks the ability to take out Heracross and risks getting KO'ed by a Close Combat. Otherwise, looks decent to me.
     
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    Just realized: Intimidate users will give Mienshao some trouble, especially Qwilfish, who resists Mienshao's STAB. Please mention that as a method to rid yourself of a Mienshao (C&C). Arcanine makes a decent threat as well, with that scenario.
     
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