Talonflame isn't broken as long as you accept that you'll never have a grass, fighting, or bug pokemon that doesn't resist STAB priority Brave Bird as useable. It's not like T-flame is going to sweep the metagame - that's not what it's good at, and not what's being complained about. Sure, Tyranitar, Rotom-W, blah blah blah are good checks/counters. Does having a counter somehow make its centralizing factors irrelevant? I still can't use grass types (unless you consider 'keep SR up' any more useful than the advice 'don't get hit' in a fight). Would a vote with requirements be useful for any of these lower priority bans? MBlaziken/MGengar/Deo-N are fairly obvious for centralizing power, but there's been a lot of change. I can't think of a better way to see how people really find it outside of theorymon.