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[Grammar] Omastar

Discussion in 'OU Analyses' started by Epikhairz, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. Epikhairz

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    OMASTAR MASTER RACE

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    ==General==
    Omastar has one thing that allows it to separate itself from other potent rain sweepers: its access to Shell Smash, one of the best setup moves in the game. If you take into account its decent base 115 Special Attack, Omastar is able to function as an extremely deadly sweeper that can tear teams apart even without weather support. It also has a great base 125 Defense and great typing in conjunction with Weak Armor, which allows Omastar to switch in on many physical hits and get a free boost in Speed. Omastar differs slightly from Gorebyss, another Shell Smash user, due to its Rock typing, allowing it to resist Normal- and Flying-type attacks, particularly those of Talonflame, a big threat in the current metagame.

    Though Omastar can be extremely deadly, it does have many noticeable flaws that prevent it from being used more often. The most obvious flaw is that Omastar is extremely slow, and can be outsped by common Choice Scarf users even at +2 Speed. Omastar also has a massive x4 weakness to Grass, as well as other common weaknesses to types such as Fighting, Ground, and Electric. Its movepool is also extremely limited, though it still gets very good coverage with Hydro Pump and Ice Beam. It is also weak to the common priority moves Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave. Finally, the lack of permanent rain and sand hampered Omastar's utility in OU as it really loves the power or defense boosts either weather provides.


    ==Shell Smash==
    Omastar @ White Herb / Lum Berry
    Trait: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Modest / Timid Nature
    - Shell Smash
    - Hydro Pump / Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power Grass

    ===Set Comments===
    If set up right, this set can easily steamroll through unprepared teams. Shell Smash is the most important move on what is Omastar's only viable set, as it allows Omastar to become an immediate threat in just one turn. Surf is Omastar's most reliable STAB attack, but it will lose out on KOs that Hydro Pump can net on sturdy tanks such as Mega Aggron. Ice Beam is a great coverage move to hit not only the Grass-types that resist Omastar's STAB but also to seriously damage or KO the many Dragon-types roaming around the tier, such as Dragonite and Garchomp. For the last moveslot, Hidden Power Grass is an essential move to have if Omastar wishes to hit opposing Water-types.

    While a Timid nature allows Omastar to outspeed neutral base 100 Speed Choice Scarf users, a Modest nature is preferred for the extra power. As for item choice, a White Herb allows Omastar to keep its defenses after one turn of setup, which is ideal for a mid- to late-game sweep, as Omastar is still rather slow. However, a Lum Berry will prevent Omastar from being paralyzed or crippled by other status; this is useful for preventing a Thunder Wave from Thundurus or Blissey stopping your sweep cold.

    Shell Smash Omastar can be a serious threat if used right, but it usually has only one shot at pulling off a successful sweep, so make sure that its checks and counters are either eliminated or seriously weakened before bringing it in. These threats include naturally fast Pokemon, Choice Scarf users, and special walls. When bringing Omastar in, Weak Armor variants can gain a free Speed boost from taking physical hits, so switching it in on resisted physical moves will give Omastar a slight edge. One of the most common threats in the metagame, Talonflame, is also incredibly easy to set up on, as Omastar 4x resists its Flare Blitz. However, keep in mind that Choice Band Talonflame can 2HKO Omastar with a priority Brave Bird. Finally, if Omastar is brought in a little early, it can try to use an attack instead of setting up to damage a check on the switch and then immediately switch out, but this is quite a risky tactic.

    ===Synergy===
    A Fire-type teammate such as Heatran or Charizard is extremely useful for getting rid of Ferrothorn, which completely counters Omastar, though any teammate with a Fire-type move will also suffice. An entry hazard setter is useful for any sweeper to turn quite a few 2HKOs into OHKOs, and Omastar is no exception. Omastar has lots of trouble with special walls, so having a strong physical attacker like Talonflame is useful for getting rid of them. Talonflame is also able to get rid of Mega Venusaur, which is arguably Omastar's best and most common counter, with Brave Bird. Many top-tier special walls, such as Blissey, Chansey, and Tyranitar, are weak to Fighting-type moves, so having a Fighting-type in your team, such as Conkeldurr or Breloom will greatly help Omastar pull off a successful sweep. Finally, if using Swift Swim, be sure to have Politoed or a Rain Dance user to take advantage of it, as there are lots of Pokemon that Omastar can't outspeed without it.

    ==Other Options==
    Unfortunately, Omastar doesn't have many other options that it can fall back on. It does have access to all forms of entry hazards, so you could use it as a defensive or suicide Spiker, though it is generally outclassed by those with more bulk or more Speed, such as Forretress and Skarmory. Ancient Power is a move that could potentially boost all of your stats by +1 and also catches Ice-types like Kyurem-B off guard, but Omastar will find it hard to fit that in its moveset. Finally, Earth Power is a reliable secondary STAB that Omastar can utilize, but Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Hidden Power Grass provide such great coverage that Earth Power is almost never necessary.


    ==Checks & Counters==
    Though Shell Smash Omastar hits like a truck, that does not mean it is unstoppable. Even at +2 Speed, Omastar can still be outsped by many common Choice Scarf users such as Garchomp, who can just KO it with a powerful attack. Also, special walls like Chansey and Blissey, or even specially defensive tanks like Assault Vest Snorlax and Goodra, can stomach hits from Omastar after a Shell Smash boost and can proceed to cripple or KO it. Also, due to the Hidden Power nerf, Omastar has a harder time dealing with opposing Water-types this generation, meaning Pokemon like Gyarados, who take neutral damage from Hidden Power Grass, can essentially counter Omastar, while Rotom-W can take advantage of its Electric-type STAB attacks to KO it. Additionally, while Ice Beam is normally able to cover Grass-types, some of them are less affected by Ice Beam. Examples of these kinds of Grass-types include Mega Venusaur and Ferrothorn, who are neutral to Ice thanks to Thick Fat and Steel typing, respectively. Finally, Omastar has no priority of its own, meaning that a Mach Punch from Conkeldurr or Breloom will usually end up taking it out.
     
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  2. Spoovo The Pirate

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    No mention of Earth Power anywhere?

    Even though it doesn't hit much (Toxicroak, Heliolisk and Lanturn are the only ones I can think of), it's worth mentioning in OO, methinks. Same would go for HP Fire, as that takes out Scizor, Ferrothorn etc. It's unlikely that rain or Heatran would come in to nerf its power either, as no one wants to give Omastar an SS boost, and Heatran's shitscared of Hydro Pump. :3

    O also, Permarain boosted the power of Omastar's water Attacks, not specifically its Special Attack. Might be worth making that tweak.
     
  3. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    In the C&C, remove mention of Vacuum Wave Lucario as it was only good on Mega and that's banned.

    In Synegy's first bullet, you mention Charizard - you aren't going to want to use it on the same team as Zard-Y, because sun is irksome to Omastar. Use a different example fire type, like Talonflame, which is a good partner (or specify Zard-X). Then, instead of mentioning Talonflame in the last bullet, mention Dragonite or Garchomp, both are viable on many teams and break through special walls.

    Good analysis
     
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    The coverage of Hydro Pump / Ice Beam / Hidden Power Grass is so important that Omastar doesn't have enough space nor does it really need Earth Power just to hit Heatran harder when Hydro Pump already does a shit ton, and Heliosk, Toxicroak, and Lanturn are rarities in OU. The initial coverage of those 3 moves also make it critical that Omastar has Hidden Power Grass so that it doesn't miss out on coverage against other Water-types.

    I've made all other changes in the thread though, thanks for the feedback!
     
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    Praise Helix.
    Would you say that Weak Armor is less preferable than Swift Swim? Because you say at the beginning that weak armor is good for its typing, yet you provide only one SS set.
     
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    If you are running rain, go Swift Swim; if not, go Weak Armor. Seeing as rain is not nearly as prevalent in XY OU as BW OU, Swift Swim's utility has dropped significantly. I say that Weak Armor pairs well with its typing because it does, but the player may choose to forgo that entirely in favor of the massive Speed gained with Swift Swim
     
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    Rotom-W doesn't seem to be a check in my books
    +2 252+ SpA Omastar Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Rotom-W: 248-292 (81.5 - 96%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

    Ancient Power might deserve a mention in OO.

    With that QC Approve (1/2)
     
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    k changed thanks!
     
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    I think ancient power is a great move for neutral coverage on omastar, with the added benefit of possibly raising all stats. on a rain team, it can be used on the switch for the 10% chance and gives good supereffective coverage, while covering an uncommon yet still bulky mon that switches into its coverage moves in kyurem-b.
     
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    {{Header}}
    {{tier|ORAS OU}}
    {{Overview|Omastar has one thing that separates itself from other potent rain sweepers: its access to Shell Smash, one of the best setup moves in the game. With its base 115 Special Attack, Omastar is able to function as an extremely deadly sweeper that can tear teams apart even without weather support. It also has a great base 125 Defense and great typing in conjunction with Weak Armor, which allows Omastar to switch in on many physical hits and get a free boost in Speed. Omastar differs slightly from Gorebyss, another Shell Smash user, due to its Rock typing, allowing it to resist Normal- and Flying-type attacks, particularly those of Talonflame, a threat in the current metagame.

    Though Omastar can be extremely deadly, it does have noticeable flaws that prevent it from being used more often. The most obvious flaw is that Omastar is extremely slow and can be outsped by common Choice Scarf users even at +2 Speed. Omastar also has a massive x4 weakness to Grass, as well as other weaknesses to types such as Fighting, Ground, and Electric, meaning it's weak to the common priority moves Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave. Its movepool is also extremely limited, though it still gets good coverage with Hydro Pump and Ice Beam. Finally, the lack of permanent rain or sand hampers Omastar's utility in OU as it really loves the power or Special Defense boosts they respectively provide.}}

    {{set|Shell Smash|
    Omastar @ White Herb / Lum Berry
    Trait: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) / Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Shell Smash
    - Hydro Pump / Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power Grass
    }}
    {{Comments|If set up right, this set can easily steamroll through unprepared teams. Shell Smash is the most important move on what is Omastar's only viable set, as it allows Omastar to become a threat in just one turn. Surf is Omastar's most reliable STAB attack, but it will lose out on KOs that Hydro Pump can net on sturdy tanks such as Mega Aggron. Ice Beam is a great coverage move not only to hit the Grass-types that resist Omastar's STAB but also to seriously damage or KO the many Dragon-types roaming around the tier, such as Dragonite and Garchomp. For the last moveslot, Hidden Power Grass is an essential move to have if Omastar wishes to hit opposing Water-types.

    While a Timid nature allows Omastar to outspeed neutral base 100 Speed Choice Scarf users, a Modest nature is preferred for the extra power. As for item choice, a White Herb allows Omastar to keep its defenses after one turn of setup, which is ideal for a mid- to late-game sweep as Omastar is still rather slow. However, a Lum Berry will prevent Omastar from being paralyzed or crippled by other status; this is useful for preventing a Thunder Wave from Thundurus or Blissey stopping your sweep cold.

    Shell Smash Omastar can be a serious threat if used right, but it usually has only one shot at pulling off a successful sweep, so make sure that its checks and counters are either eliminated or seriously weakened before bringing it in. These threats include naturally fast Pokémon, Choice Scarf users, and special walls. When bringing Omastar in, Weak Armor variants can gain a free Speed boost from taking physical hits, so switching it in on resisted physical moves will give Omastar a slight edge. One of the most common threats in the metagame, Talonflame, is also incredibly easy to set up on, as Omastar 4x resists its Flare Blitz. However, keep in mind that Choice Band Talonflame can 2HKO Omastar with priority Brave Bird. Finally, if Omastar is brought in a little early, it can try to use an attack instead of setting up to damage a check on the switch and then immediately switch out, but this is a risky tactic.}}

    {{Synergy|A Fire-type teammate such as Heatran or Charizard is extremely useful for getting rid of Ferrothorn, which completely counters Omastar, though any teammate with a Fire-type move will also suffice. An entry hazard setter is useful for any sweeper to turn 2HKOs into OHKOs, and Omastar is no exception. Omastar has trouble with special walls, so having a strong physical attacker like Talonflame is useful for getting rid of them. Talonflame can also use Brave Bird to get rid of Mega Venusaur, which is arguably Omastar's best and most common counter. Many top-tier special walls, such as Blissey, Chansey, and Tyranitar, are weak to Fighting-type moves, so having a Fighting-type on your team such as Conkeldurr or Breloom will greatly help Omastar pull off a successful sweep. Finally, if using Swift Swim, be sure to have Politoed or a Rain Dance user to take advantage of it, as there are lots of Pokémon that Omastar can't outspeed without it.}}

    {{Checks|Though Shell Smash Omastar hits like a truck, it is not unstoppable. Even at +2 Speed, Omastar can still be outsped by many common Choice Scarf users such as Garchomp, who can just KO it with a powerful attack. Also, special walls like Chansey and Blissey, or even specially defensive tanks like Assault Vest Snorlax and Goodra, can stomach hits from Omastar after a Shell Smash boost and can proceed to cripple or KO it. Also, due to the Hidden Power nerf, Omastar has a harder time dealing with opposing Water-types this generation, meaning Pokémon like Gyarados, which takes neutral damage from Hidden Power Grass, can essentially counter Omastar, while Rotom-W can take advantage of its Electric-type STAB attacks to KO. Additionally, while Ice Beam is normally able to cover Grass-types, some of them are less affected by Ice Beam. Examples of this include Mega Venusaur and Ferrothorn, which are neutral to Ice thanks to Thick Fat and Steel typing, respectively. Finally, Omastar has no priority of its own, meaning that a Mach Punch from Conkeldurr or Breloom will usually end up taking it out.}}

    {{Options|Unfortunately, Omastar doesn't have many other options that it can fall back on. It does have access to all forms of entry hazards, so you could use it as a defensive or suicide Spiker, though it is generally outclassed by those with more bulk or more Speed, such as Forretress and Skarmory. Ancient Power is a move that could potentially boost all of Omastar's stats by one stage and also catches Ice-types like Kyurem-B off guard, but Omastar will find it hard to fit that into its set. Finally, Earth Power is a reliable move that Omastar can utilize, but Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Hidden Power Grass provide such great coverage that Earth Power is almost never necessary.}}

    {{footer}}

    ==General==
    Omastar has one thing that separates itself from other potent rain sweepers: its access to Shell Smash, one of the best setup moves in the game. With its base 115 Special Attack, Omastar is able to function as an extremely deadly sweeper that can tear teams apart even without weather support. It also has a great base 125 Defense and great typing in conjunction with Weak Armor, which allows Omastar to switch in on many physical hits and get a free boost in Speed. Omastar differs slightly from Gorebyss, another Shell Smash user, due to its Rock typing, allowing it to resist Normal- and Flying-type attacks, particularly those of Talonflame, a threat in the current metagame.

    Though Omastar can be extremely deadly, it does have noticeable flaws that prevent it from being used more often. The most obvious flaw is that Omastar is extremely slow and can be outsped by common Choice Scarf users even at +2 Speed. Omastar also has a massive x4 weakness to Grass, as well as other weaknesses to types such as Fighting, Ground, and Electric, meaning it's weak to the common priority moves Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave. Its movepool is also extremely limited, though it still gets good coverage with Hydro Pump and Ice Beam. Finally, the lack of permanent rain or sand hampers Omastar's utility in OU as it really loves the power or Special Defense boosts they respectively provide.


    ==Shell Smash==
    Omastar @ White Herb / Lum Berry
    Trait: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) / Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Shell Smash
    - Hydro Pump / Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power Grass

    ===Set Comments===
    If set up right, this set can easily steamroll through unprepared teams. Shell Smash is the most important move on what is Omastar's only viable set, as it allows Omastar to become a threat in just one turn. Surf is Omastar's most reliable STAB attack, but it will lose out on KOs that Hydro Pump can net on sturdy tanks such as Mega Aggron. Ice Beam is a great coverage move not only to hit the Grass-types that resist Omastar's STAB but also to seriously damage or KO the many Dragon-types roaming around the tier, such as Dragonite and Garchomp. For the last moveslot, Hidden Power Grass is an essential move to have if Omastar wishes to hit opposing Water-types.

    While a Timid nature allows Omastar to outspeed neutral base 100 Speed Choice Scarf users, a Modest nature is preferred for the extra power. As for item choice, a White Herb allows Omastar to keep its defenses after one turn of setup, which is ideal for a mid- to late-game sweep as Omastar is still rather slow. However, a Lum Berry will prevent Omastar from being paralyzed or crippled by other status; this is useful for preventing a Thunder Wave from Thundurus or Blissey stopping your sweep cold.

    Shell Smash Omastar can be a serious threat if used right, but it usually has only one shot at pulling off a successful sweep, so make sure that its checks and counters are either eliminated or seriously weakened before bringing it in. These threats include naturally fast Pokémon, Choice Scarf users, and special walls. When bringing Omastar in, Weak Armor variants can gain a free Speed boost from taking physical hits, so switching it in on resisted physical moves will give Omastar a slight edge. One of the most common threats in the metagame, Talonflame, is also incredibly easy to set up on, as Omastar 4x resists its Flare Blitz. However, keep in mind that Choice Band Talonflame can 2HKO Omastar with priority Brave Bird. Finally, if Omastar is brought in a little early, it can try to use an attack instead of setting up to damage a check on the switch and then immediately switch out, but this is a risky tactic.

    ===Synergy===
    |A Fire-type teammate such as Heatran or Charizard is extremely useful for getting rid of Ferrothorn, which completely counters Omastar, though any teammate with a Fire-type move will also suffice. An entry hazard setter is useful for any sweeper to turn 2HKOs into OHKOs, and Omastar is no exception. Omastar has trouble with special walls, so having a strong physical attacker like Talonflame is useful for getting rid of them. Talonflame can also use Brave Bird to get rid of Mega Venusaur, which is arguably Omastar's best and most common counter. Many top-tier special walls, such as Blissey, Chansey, and Tyranitar, are weak to Fighting-type moves, so having a Fighting-type on your team such as Conkeldurr or Breloom will greatly help Omastar pull off a successful sweep. Finally, if using Swift Swim, be sure to have Politoed or a Rain Dance user to take advantage of it, as there are lots of Pokémon that Omastar can't outspeed without it.

    ==Other Options==
    Unfortunately, Omastar doesn't have many other options that it can fall back on. It does have access to all forms of entry hazards, so you could use it as a defensive or suicide Spiker, though it is generally outclassed by those with more bulk or more Speed, such as Forretress and Skarmory. Ancient Power is a move that could potentially boost all of Omastar's stats by one stage and also catches Ice-types like Kyurem-B off guard, but Omastar will find it hard to fit that into its set. Finally, Earth Power is a reliable move that Omastar can utilize, but Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Hidden Power Grass provide such great coverage that Earth Power is almost never necessary.

    ==Checks & Counters==
    Though Shell Smash Omastar hits like a truck, it is not unstoppable. Even at +2 Speed, Omastar can still be outsped by many common Choice Scarf users such as Garchomp, who can just KO it with a powerful attack. Also, special walls like Chansey and Blissey, or even specially defensive tanks like Assault Vest Snorlax and Goodra, can stomach hits from Omastar after a Shell Smash boost and can proceed to cripple or KO it. Also, due to the Hidden Power nerf, Omastar has a harder time dealing with opposing Water-types this generation, meaning Pokémon like Gyarados, which takes neutral damage from Hidden Power Grass, can essentially counter Omastar, while Rotom-W can take advantage of its Electric-type STAB attacks to KO. Additionally, while Ice Beam is normally able to cover Grass-types, some of them are less affected by Ice Beam. Examples of this include Mega Venusaur and Ferrothorn, which are neutral to Ice thanks to Thick Fat and Steel typing, respectively. Finally, Omastar has no priority of its own, meaning that a Mach Punch from Conkeldurr or Breloom will usually end up taking it out.

    ==General==
    Omastar has one thing that allows it to separates itself from other potent rain sweepers: its access to Shell Smash, one of the best setup moves in the game. If you take into accountWith its decent base 115 Special Attack, Omastar is able to function as an extremely deadly sweeper that can tear teams apart even without weather support. It also has a great base 125 Defense and great typing in conjunction with Weak Armor, which allows Omastar to switch in on many physical hits and get a free boost in Speed. Omastar differs slightly from Gorebyss, another Shell Smash user, due to its Rock typing, allowing it to resist Normal- and Flying-type attacks, particularly those of Talonflame, a big threat in the current metagame.

    Though Omastar can be extremely deadly, it does have many noticeable flaws that prevent it from being used more often. The most obvious flaw is that Omastar is extremely slow, and can be outsped by common Choice Scarf users even at +2 Speed. Omastar also has a massive x4 weakness to Grass, as well as other common weaknesses to types such as Fighting, Ground, and Electric, meaning it's weak to the common priority moves Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave. Its movepool is also extremely limited, though it still gets very good coverage with Hydro Pump and Ice Beam. It is also weak to the common priority moves Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave. Finally, the lack of permanent rain andor sand hampereds Omastar's utility in OU as it really loves the power or dSpecial Defense boosts either weathery respectively provides.


    ==Shell Smash==
    Omastar @ White Herb / Lum Berry
    Trait: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Modest / Timid Nature
    - Shell Smash
    - Hydro Pump / Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power Grass

    ===Set Comments===
    If set up right, this set can easily steamroll through unprepared teams. Shell Smash is the most important move on what is Omastar's only viable set, as it allows Omastar to become an immediate threat in just one turn. Surf is Omastar's most reliable STAB attack, but it will lose out on KOs that Hydro Pump can net on sturdy tanks such as Mega Aggron. Ice Beam is a great coverage move to hit not only to hit the Grass-types that resist Omastar's STAB but also to seriously damage or KO the many Dragon-types roaming around the tier, such as Dragonite and Garchomp. For the last moveslot, Hidden Power Grass is an essential move to have if Omastar wishes to hit opposing Water-types.

    While a Timid nature allows Omastar to outspeed neutral base 100 Speed Choice Scarf users, a Modest nature is preferred for the extra power. As for item choice, a White Herb allows Omastar to keep its defenses after one turn of setup, which is ideal for a mid- to late-game sweep, as Omastar is still rather slow. However, a Lum Berry will prevent Omastar from being paralyzed or crippled by other status; this is useful for preventing a Thunder Wave from Thundurus or Blissey stopping your sweep cold.

    Shell Smash Omastar can be a serious threat if used right, but it usually has only one shot at pulling off a successful sweep, so make sure that its checks and counters are either eliminated or seriously weakened before bringing it in. These threats include naturally fast Pokeémon, Choice Scarf users, and special walls. When bringing Omastar in, Weak Armor variants can gain a free Speed boost from taking physical hits, so switching it in on resisted physical moves will give Omastar a slight edge. One of the most common threats in the metagame, Talonflame, is also incredibly easy to set up on, as Omastar 4x resists its Flare Blitz. However, keep in mind that Choice Band Talonflame can 2HKO Omastar with a priority Brave Bird. Finally, if Omastar is brought in a little early, it can try to use an attack instead of setting up to damage a check on the switch and then immediately switch out, but this is quite a risky tactic.

    ===Synergy===
    |A Fire-type teammate such as Heatran or Charizard is extremely useful for getting rid of Ferrothorn, which completely counters Omastar, though any teammate with a Fire-type move will also suffice. An entry hazard setter is useful for any sweeper to turn quite a few 2HKOs into OHKOs, and Omastar is no exception. Omastar has lots of trouble with special walls, so having a strong physical attacker like Talonflame is useful for getting rid of them. Talonflame iscan also ableuse Brave Bird to get rid of Mega Venusaur, which is arguably Omastar's best and most common counter, with Brave Bird. Many top-tier special walls, such as Blissey, Chansey, and Tyranitar, are weak to Fighting-type moves, so having a Fighting-type ion your team, such as Conkeldurr or Breloom will greatly help Omastar pull off a successful sweep. Finally, if using Swift Swim, be sure to have Politoed or a Rain Dance user to take advantage of it, as there are lots of Pokeémon that Omastar can't outspeed without it.

    ==Other Options==
    Unfortunately, Omastar doesn't have many other options that it can fall back on. It does have access to all forms of entry hazards, so you could use it as a defensive or suicide Spiker, though it is generally outclassed by those with more bulk or more Speed, such as Forretress and Skarmory. Ancient Power is a move that could potentially boost all of yourOmastar's stats by +1one stage and also catches Ice-types like Kyurem-B off guard, but Omastar will find it hard to fit that into its moveset. Finally, Earth Power is a reliable secondary STABmove that Omastar can utilize, but Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Hidden Power Grass provide such great coverage that Earth Power is almost never necessary.


    ==Checks & Counters==
    Though Shell Smash Omastar hits like a truck, that doeit is not mean it is unstoppable. Even at +2 Speed, Omastar can still be outsped by many common Choice Scarf users such as Garchomp, who can just KO it with a powerful attack. Also, special walls like Chansey and Blissey, or even specially defensive tanks like Assault Vest Snorlax and Goodra, can stomach hits from Omastar after a Shell Smash boost and can proceed to cripple or KO it. Also, due to the Hidden Power nerf, Omastar has a harder time dealing with opposing Water-types this generation, meaning Pokeémon like Gyarados, whoich takes neutral damage from Hidden Power Grass, can essentially counter Omastar, while Rotom-W can take advantage of its Electric-type STAB attacks to KO it. Additionally, while Ice Beam is normally able to cover Grass-types, some of them are less affected by Ice Beam. Examples of these kinds of Grass-types include Mega Venusaur and Ferrothorn, whoich are neutral to Ice thanks to Thick Fat and Steel typing, respectively. Finally, Omastar has no priority of its own, meaning that a Mach Punch from Conkeldurr or Breloom will usually end up taking it out.

    left the section order as is so that's different between wiki and not-wiki. beyond that, any actual changes should be in both.
     
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    Joyverse Back for a blast!

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    People don't even use Omastar in ou rn! :x Heck, I think Cloyster's the better sweeper with shell smash. Stop bumping threads faster than Spoovo doing analyses or you'll awaken sulcata's rage. K, am just shitposting but Cloyster > Omastar 4lyfe!
     
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    "stop bumping clearly dead and outdated threads managed by users who are no longer around"
     
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    Ehh?

    My ears, they are burning.

    But yeah. If you want me to slow down, I can do that. *nods*