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[XY Ubers] Remade My XY Ubers Team

Discussion in 'Rate My Team' started by Dillon Ewing, Mar 25, 2014.

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  1. Dillon Ewing

    Dillon Ewing New Member

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    Hello! I'm back with improved version of my previous XY Ubers team. This time I just didn't threw everything in my team but found a way to beat them and I have also removed ditto and got good success. I actually found that Fixed was right that Ditto is just waste of a spot.

    MY PREVIOUS TEAM
    So here is my team:-
    At a Glance
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    In Detail

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    Groudon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge
    - Thunder Wave

    Groudon is always my teams lead. Its physical bulk helps me deal with Mega Kangaskhan lead by using Thunder wave and Earthquakes. Also, I set Stealth Rocks so that I can deal with Sturdy/Focus Sash holders. The sunlight it summons helps my Ho-Oh to hit hard.

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    Ho-Oh @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 176 Atk / 84 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost
    - Sacred Fire
    - Substitute
    I really like bulky Ho-Oh with sun and Regenerator. I have did many battles using only Groudon and Ho-oh. Sacred Fire got a good chance of burning the opponent which cripples physical attack power. Substitute is to evade paralysis and toxics and Brave Bird is a good powerful move.

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    Palkia @ Assault Vest
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower
    - Spacial Rend
    - Surf
    - Thunder

    Before this I was using Scarf Palkia but Scarf wasn’t allowing me to use its full power and I have another Scarf holder so I used Assault Vest. I can deal with Giratina, Ferrothorn, Kyogre and some fire pokemons with this. Pressure is a good ability when facing a stall pokemon so this is a superb pokemon.

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    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bullet Punch
    - Pursuit
    - Superpower
    - U-turn

    I was using Bullet Punch, Sleep-Talk, Superpower, Bug Bite before then ZoroDark suggested me to add U-Turn and Pursuit for Mega Gengar. The new treat in Ubers that is Xerneas forced me to use this pokemon. It counters Xerneas, Chansey, Mega Gengar, Extreme Killer Arceus and Mega Kangaskhan easily so I love this banded pokemon.

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    Arceus (Arceus-Water) @ Splash Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 252 HP / 200 SDef / 56 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Defog
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover
    - Thunder Wave

    I was lacking Defog user in my team so I was using Arceus-Rock but then beforedawn. said me to use this set because Palkia alone cannot counter water pokemons. I don’t have any ice moves in the team so ice beam is very helpful Thunder Wave is the most annoying thing so I love it.

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    Ditto @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Imposter
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Transform

    So last in my team is my revenge killer. I was using Xerneas as a sweeper before but most teams have its counter so I used Ditto. Its ability Imposter is very good and allows me to revenge kill setup sweeper. EVs except HP actually don’t matter on Ditto but still I gave in special powers.

    So this is my XY Ubers team. I didn’t got any serious peak with it because I don’t battle much but still it has 1350 points. Suggestions are always welcome.

    Importable
    Groudon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge
    - Thunder Wave

    Ho-Oh @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 176 Atk / 84 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost
    - Sacred Fire
    - Substitute

    Arceus (Arceus-Water) @ Splash Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 252 HP / 200 SDef / 56 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Defog
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover
    - Thunder Wave

    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bullet Punch
    - Pursuit
    - Superpower
    - U-turn

    Palkia @ Assault Vest
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower
    - Spacial Rend
    - Surf
    - Thunder

    Ditto @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Imposter
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Transform

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    This is the team I used before but now I have made some major changes which I found useful.

    MY NEW TEAM
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    In Detail

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    Groudon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge
    - Roar

    This is the lead pokemon of my team. I'm usually able to set rocks and as everyone said me previous time, I'm using roar instead of thunder wave which helps me deal with lead setup sweepers. Earthquake is a good STAB move and stone edge is to deal with flyers and sometimes for criticals.

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    Ho-Oh @ Choice Band
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Earthquake
    - Sacred Fire
    - Sleep Talk

    I decided to change Ho-Oh set to choice band as I'm running Mega Scizor and it also hits very hard in Sun summoned by Groudon. Bravebird is the real move with regenerator and sacred fire is another powerful move with high chance of burn. Earthquake helps to deal with Rock types and sleep talk to absorb sleep and hit back hard.

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    Palkia @ Assault Vest
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower
    - Spacial Rend
    - Surf
    - Thunder

    There is no change in my Palkia set because I like it a lot. People were suggesting me to use hydro pump and fire blast but i don't like the accuracy which could change the game. Thunder has bad accuracy too but it's to deal with Kyogre which have drizzle so it's a guaranteed hit. Spacial Rend is to deal with other dragons which hits very hard.

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    Scizor (M) @ Scizorite
    Trait: Light Metal
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bullet Punch
    - Defog
    - Superpower
    - U-turn

    This pokemon was banded in my previous team but not its mega with defog support. You must be thinking why I'm using Light Metal instead of Technician, the reason is that as it mega evolve it gets technician ability and light metal decreases damage from low kicks and grass knots. BulletPunches help to beat fairies and superpower mainly for mega kangaskhan and normal arceus.

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    Arceus (Arceus-Ghost) @ Spooky Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
    - Judgement
    - Recover
    - Calm Mind
    - Will-O-Wisp

    My team is having many physical attackers so i used special ghostceus. As I deal with normal pokemons I can take it out and do Will-O-Wisp on physical attackers and 2-3 calm minds enough for a good sweep. Extra speed gives it chance to burn/cm faster so it's good.

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    Zekrom @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Teravolt
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
    - Bolt Strike
    - Outrage
    - Dragon Claw
    - Volt Switch

    Before, I was using scarf ditto but as everyone said to use zekrom, I'm using it instead of ditto. Volt Switch and Scizor's U-Turn keeps momentum at my side and outrage and Dragon Claw are good powerful moves. Bolt Strike gives me another counter to water types and KOs Xerneas switch ins. It also helps me deal with Ho-Oh.

    This is the new updated version of my team. Suggestions are welcome.

    Importables
    Groudon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge
    - Roar

    Ho-Oh @ Choice Band
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Earthquake
    - Sacred Fire
    - Sleep Talk

    Palkia @ Assault Vest
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower
    - Spacial Rend
    - Surf
    - Thunder

    Scizor (M) @ Scizorite
    Trait: Light Metal
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bullet Punch
    - Defog
    - Superpower
    - U-turn

    Arceus (Arceus-Ghost) @ Spooky Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
    - Judgement
    - Recover
    - Calm Mind
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Zekrom @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Teravolt
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
    - Bolt Strike
    - Outrage
    - Dragon Claw
    - Volt Switch

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  2. Shadow Sneak

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    Looks good, an improvement from your last team, but it could be improved even more

    Remove the 248 HP EVs from Ho-oh. and put them in speed. This lets you outspeed a whole lot of things, while still hitting crazy hard.
    Remove Superpower for Roost, you'll need it for Mega Scizor, as it's sort of a pivot Pokemon which means you'll be switching it in a lot and you'll need to retain that HP
    Calm Mind on Ghostceus won't really come in handy, especially when you're vs. EKiller and you can't do nothing besides Burn it, and some carry Recover now so that's even worse for you

    good luck
     
  3. Dillon Ewing

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    Shadow Sneak @ Thanks for the rate. The HP EVs on Ho-Oh are so that it donot get in a situation in which regeneration can't help.
    The reason I'm using superpower is to counter Mega Kangaskhan and Normal/Rock/Steel Arceus.
    As i have already said."After dealing with normal pokemon". Scizor and Ho-Oh can help me take out normal pokemons.. I always avoid 1 v 1 with my arceus by letting it go early and setup.
     
  4. -Leon-

    -Leon- bae <3

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    As Shadow Sneak said, speed creep Ho-oh, but don't give it max speed. I'd rather give it something like 56 speed to be on the safe side vs other Ho-oh and most of Groudon. That being said, I like to speed creep my Groudon aswell (about 32), but it's not really that necessary, and only comes in handy vs Ho-oh, but it could help. Just listing an option that you could go for.

    As for your Palkia, Hydro pump and Fireblast over Surf and Flamethrower since you already lack power due to being non-lustrous orb. Maybe give Arceus-Ghost a little physical bulk over speed to take on Ekiller better, you already have Groudon for that, and jolly max speed ekiller are everywhere, so max speed works too. Give Scizor some Sdef EVs to be able to tank Xerneas better and avoid focus blast KOs and roost is important so put it over superpower. You could also use toxic>u-turn to cripple switch ins and stall them with roost, but that goes against your volt turn maybe.
     
  5. Dillon Ewing

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    [IMP]Leon @ That set of Ho-Oh has saved me lot of time so I don't wanna change it. I have already explained in Palkia's description why I'm using surf and flamethrower. Removing superpower will make my team weaker to Mega Kangaskhan and Arceus Normal so no chance of removing it. Removing U-turn will break my Volt Turn momentum core. Ihaveexplained everything in pokemons description so read that before posting your rate.
     
  6. -Leon-

    -Leon- bae <3

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    How would your team be weak to Ekiller when you already have 2 other Pokemon that can effectively check it (Arceus-Ghost and Groudon). Both check M-Kanga pretty effectively too (burns destroy it). I totally do not understand the logic behind what you said. Roost is almost mandatory on M-Scizor since it's quite a bulky mon. If you're gonna use weak moves just due to the accuracy, you might as well use dragon pulse on Palkia and fusion bolt on Zekrom (bolt strike has same miss chance as Hydro pump and fire blast).

    On a more serious note, Fire blast and Hydro pump may have shaky accuracy, but they secure some important KOs on stuff like 2HKO on Ferro in rain and big damage on opposing Xern switch ins etc. But it's your team, so you can use whatever you want. I was just giving suggestion.
     
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    Virizion ~ Taste the Rainbow ~

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    Sometimes you have to make/take risks in Pokémon - Surf and Flamethrower don't always provide the damage output that it should to take care of massive threats such as Ferrothorn in the rain, that can cripple you with Thunder Wave and set-up hazards easily. I look at it as a Risk vs Reward situation with the higher power, less accurate moves. Fire Blast and Hydro Pump obtain massive rewards when hit, especially that Fire Blast has a higher chance to burn than Flamethrower, which is really nice. Sure you really want to minimise hax higher up on the ladder, however sometimes you will have to risk no matter how good you are.
     
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    Superpower doesn't even 2HKO EKiller Arceus (thanks to that Attack drop) and after +2 (and your -1 Def from Superpower) EQ is a OHKO, which doesn't help too much. At least with Toxic you could stall it out a bit. And since pretty much every Supportceus carries Will-O-Wisp, it won't help much vs. them either.
     
  9. Fixed

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    Regarding all the small issues (speed creep and low acc moves) I totally agree with Leon. Also, as most have already said, you really need Roost on Scizor. I don't really like Defog Scizor in general because it doesn't beat the SR setters 1v1, but with Roost you can outlast them at least. There is a much bigger issue with your team, and that is the weakness to Yveltal, who destroys your team without even needing any support. To be honest, I can't see any working build with Groudon+Ho-oh+Palkia+Arceus-GHOST that isn't massively weak to either Yveltal or Ho-oh. The problem is that you probably need Scizor to Defog and check Xerneas, and then your final mon (scarf) cannot deal with both. Maybe you or others can think of something, but I think you'll have to change your Arceus form.
     
  10. Dillon Ewing

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    Fixed @ For Yveltal and Ho-Oh, i have scarf zekrom's bolt strike.
     
  11. Fixed

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    But Yveltal comes in and gets a free kill on half your team...
     
  12. Dillon Ewing

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    Fixed
    Do you think arceus rock could do the job? If i use Arceus-Rock, then i! can get rid of defog on Scizor and use roost. As everyone is saying remove superpower, then I'll be able to add swords dance too. What do you say?
     
  13. Sakuya Izayoi

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    I think you should change Arceus-Ghost to Support Xerneas. Your team lacks a cleric, and Xerneas fits really well on this team as your team really despises status. Xerneas also somewhat solves your Yveltal weakness, as it doesn't take too much from Oblivion Wing and has aromatheraphy for Toxic. Furthermore Arceus-Ghost isn't doing anything except spinblocking, despite the prevalence of defoggers as well as the lack of actual rapid spinners being used in the tier bar Excadrill, who is still a rare sight. Keep Defog+Roost on MScizor.

    Run Power Gem over Thunder on Palkia so you can still kill Ho-Oh even under sun conditions without relying on a 50% chance to miss.

    Time for the bitching: Firstly you did not need to start a new thread, you could have easily updated your previous one, and giving it a bump or changing the title of the name of the thread to attract others to rate your new team. There is an edit button where you can edit your posts.

    Secondly, why did you not give me any credit for typing a long post and you implemented most of the changes.,and others just hopped on the bandwagon :{
     
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  14. Dillon Ewing

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    Well Draco, i was able to make this team just because of your long comment on previous thread. So
    Thank You
     
  15. Grit

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    Hmm.. Give your Ho-Oh and Groudon a bit speed. You must replace flamethrower and surf to fire blast and hydro pump to increase your power. May be arceus rock can help and then Scizor could use toxic and roost.
     
  16. Fixed

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    Arceus-Rock should be fine. You should maybe use Aegislash > Scizor in that case to be safer against Xerneas and Mewtwo X. If you decide to keep Scizor, Superpower is good because you no longer have Arceus Ghost to check Ekiller easily. Use a more defensive spread on Scizor btw.
     
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