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[Skeleton] Honedge

Discussion in 'LC Analyses' started by Enei, Jun 25, 2014.

  1. Enei

    Enei WAFSTB

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    Overview:
    - Great defensive typing
    - Resists 9 types of attacks and is immune to 3
    - Weak to 4 common types of attacks
    - Useful immunities in Fighting, and normal, two very common types in LC
    - High Defense stat
    - High Attack stat
    - Access to STAB Priority move
    - Immune to Fake out
    - Shallow movepool
    - Frail on the special side
    - Slow
    - Mostly useless ability in No Guard because most moves have 100% accuracy anyways

    Notable Moves:
    - Swords Dance
    - Pursuit
    - Sacred Sword
    - Destiny Bond
    - Shadow Claw
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Gyro Ball
    - Autotomize

    Swords Dance:

    Honedge (F) @ Eviolite
    Level: 5
    Trait: No Guard
    EVs: 196 Atk / 116 Def / 140 SpD / 52 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Shadow Sneak / Shadow Claw
    - Sacred Sword
    - Iron Head

    - Set aims to sweep when given the chance mid-late game
    - Eviolite used to maximize defenses and allow for more opportunities to set up
    - No Guard only ability so only choice
    - EVs allow for maximum physical bulk as well as maximum attack
    - Can be brought in on many normal types to easily use as set up fodder
    - Adamant nature allows for maximum attack
    - Swords Dance boosts attack to sky high levels after one boost
    - Shadow Sneak allows to finish off many weakened foes with STAB priority
    - Sacred Sword hits dark type pokemon like Pawniard and things that resist it's STAB moves
    - Iron Head used to hit stronger on certain pokemon that can take a sacred sword easily
    - Iron Head can also cause flinching

    Autotomize:

    Honedge (F) @ Eviolite
    Level: 5
    Trait: No Guard
    EVs: 196 Atk / 116 Def / 140 SpD / 52 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Autotomize
    - Iron Head
    - Sacred Sword / Shadow Claw
    - Destiny Bond

    - Set aims to deal massive damage if given the opportunity mid-late game
    - LO used to get most out of attack stat
    - EVs allow for maximum attack and speed for fast & strong damage
    - Adamant used to get highest possible attack from Honedge
    - Automize used to boost speed, which allows it to out speed all non scarf pokemon at +2
    - Reaches 22 Speed after one Autotomize
    - Shadow Claw preferred over Shadow Sneak because it does more damage and will out speed almost whole meta at +2
    - Sacred Swords used to hit normal types and other steel types, main coverage move
    - Destiny Bond used to take out one final poke before it faints

    Other Options:

    - Does not have many viable options outside of sets listed
    - Pursuit can be used to trap Gastly, Misdreavus, ect, but is mostly useless because either of them destroys Honedge with Shadow Ball
    - Gyro Ball can be used on the Swords Dance set with a Brave or Relaxed nature and 0 speed IVs, but is generally outclassed in every way by Iron Head
    - Aerial Ace can deal with Larvesta, but it not usually worth giving up one of your other moves
    - Life Orb can be used to give Honedge more attacking prowess, but Eviolite is prefered because of the added bulk
    - Berry Juice can be used because Honedge lacks any reliable recovery, but more bulk from Eviolite is preferred
    - Rock Slide can be used to hit Vullaby and Larvesta, but doesn't have much use out of dealing with those two, and a different move is preferred.
    - A dual dancing set can be used, but you will be wishing you had one extra move the whole battle because of two boosting moves

    Checks & Counters:
    - Any special attacker with a super effective move when un-boosted
    - Different pokemon can handle different sets
    - Gastly and Misdeavus or other faster ghost type pokemon can beat SD set, but cannot beat Automize set if already at +2
    - Heavily defensive pokemon can take on the Automize set
    - Pokemon that resist it's STAB moves or don't take much damage from them
    - Faster pokemon with Sucker Punch
    - Ponyta and Larvesta render it useless with burn if lacking Rock Slide
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2014
  2. Yagura

    Yagura

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    The move's name is Autotomize not Automize. Also, in the overview mention that its ability No Guard is useless since all its useful moves have high, if not perfect, accuracy.

    About the Swords Dance set the EVs should be 196 Atk / 116 Def / 140 SpD / 52 Spe with that spread it's still able to be a defensive tank and live Knock Off and Earthquake from its common users, the rest is in SDef to be able to live Misdreavus' Shadow Ball most of the time which is always a nice thing (this is debatable though). Slash Shadow Claw along with Shadow Sneak. Also, I don't get why you said "Sacred Sword used to hit anything that isn't a ghost type" and since Iron Head does more because of STAB, a better description would be that it deals with Dark-type Pokémon like Pawniard that resists both of its STAB.

    In the Autotomize set you mentioned that "Jolly is used to get highest possible speed from Honedge" but the set has Adamant as the nature, in my opinion just keep it Adamant and give it this EVs spread 196 Atk / 116 Def / 60 SpD / 132 Spe with that spread it hits 11 in Speed which makes it hit 22 after the Autotomize boost which makes it outspeed all non-scarfed Pokémon in the metagame and even some slow scarfers like Magnemite and Larvesta (again the spread is debatable). In my opinion Eviolite is a better option than Life Orb, it's understandable that you're aiming for a high damage but being able to live some Super Effective attacks is always nice as it'll need to set up and it doesn't have any recovery way. Also, Iron Head in my opinion is a must in every Honedge set because you'd be walled easily by some Fairy-type Pokémon, so the moveset should be like this:
    - Autotomize
    - Iron Head
    - Sacred Sword / Shadow Claw
    - Destiny Bond

    In Other Options mention Aerial Ace as it's able to deal with Larvesta, you can also mention Life Orb as an item that can be used to give Honedge's attacks more strength and also Berry Juice since Honedge doesn't have a way to recover. Rock Slide can deal with Vullaby and Larvesta but it doesn't have other good uses outside of that.
     
  3. Enei

    Enei WAFSTB

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    Alright, making those changes now, could have sworn it was Automize though haha, guess I never looked close enough.
     
  4. Chlorine Trifluoride

    Chlorine Trifluoride You were saying?

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    Ponyta and larvesta for CC because unless rock slide, honedge can/will be burned and stalled out rendering d-bond useless

    also double dance set for OO
     
  5. Enei

    Enei WAFSTB

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    Alright, updated