Hello there. Firstly I'd like to announce than I am now a Ubers tier leader, and I will be leading the tier together with @ZoroDark. There has recently been some discussion about a possible suspect test for Shadow Tag or Gengarite, especially after the Gengarite suspect test on Smogon. As with the Geomancy suspect test, we will start with an unofficial discussion thread to collect everyone's thoughts. So please use this thread to discuss the possibility of banning Shadow Tag from the XY Ubers metagame. EDIT: It's time to make this official now. This suspect discussion will run for about 3 weeks with a deadline set at November 9th. We intend to do a test ban, but that will only happen the last 2 weeks of the suspect test. We do this to give everyone the opportunity to play with certain Shadow Tag abusers some more to get to know their strengths and weaknesses. Unless a consensus is reached, a vote will likely follow, but details will be communicated when we're closer to the deadline. Keep in mind the following: Stay on topic. Post intelligently, and base your posts on your experience and knowledge of the tier. Make sure you have read the tier policy. Feel free to argue for the suspect of only a specific Shadow Tag user (like Mega Gengar). ---- EDIT: WE WILL HAVE A VOTE READ BELOW We will be deciding matters on Shadow Tag with a vote. The Shadow Tag abusers are all very different from each other, so we will be having four separate votes, namely Gengarite, Gothitelle, Wobbuffet and Gothorita. Unfortunately we cannot do a test ban because that would mess up OU and all lower tiers. This shouldn't matter too much though, as you should be deciding on whether or not the Shadow Tag abusers are a problem in the current metagame. To qualify for the vote, you'll need a rating of 1350 or more on the XY Ubers ladder at Sunday 9 november 23:59 PM GMT. The ladder won't be reset, we only did that last time to clear a year old ladder. We'll post specifics on how to vote later this week. You will be expected to send a paragraph explaining your vote, so you can start thinking about that already. In the mean time, it would be nice if there were some more discussion in this thread.