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Suspect Discussion: Drizzle

Discussion in 'Gen 6 UU' started by Insane Soul, Dec 18, 2014.

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  1. Insane Soul

    Insane Soul Griffith did nothing wrong.

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    Discuss the possibility of the ability Drizzle being banned from the ORAS UU tier.

    Use this thread to discuss Drizzle's effect in the metagame and how it is able to support the rain team archetype. Talk about the different options it can provide, its best abusers/team support and potential checks & counters. State your opinion on whether you think Drizzle should be banned or if it should stay in the ORAS UU tier.

    All opinions are welcome to be presented, and arguments may be shared between players, as long as you back it up with knowledge and experience and refrain from making your entire points based on responses to others. Theorymonning is not a valid argument and anyone who bases their opinion in it risks being infracted. If you are relatively new to this kind of environment, i suggest you read these guidelines.

    Do not forget that, if a consensus can't be found after this discussions reaches its end, a vote will be held.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: Although the Rain archetype can still be used in XY UU, along with Drizzle and Politoed, there have been a few changes to these teams, namely in the form of a new abuser: Mega Swampert, that is only available in ORAS UU. As such, i ask that you only present arguments based on your experience in the ORAS UU tier, and disregard your interactions with Drizzle and Rain teams, be it in as a user or an opponent to them.

    There has also been a discussion among the Tier Leaders and the Tier Admin about the best approach to take on the Rain issue. We didn't want to completely nerf Rain with a suspect, but rather let the community decide on its impact in the metagame through its most influential traits. Among some of these, Kingdra, Damp Rock or Politoed were considered as a suspect, but we figured that Drizzle was the defining trait in Rain's threatening factor. As such, every argument that you present has to apply to Rain with the presence of Drizzle. Arguments and discussions that focus solely on a certain pokemon or manual rain will be met with consequences.
     
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  2. Bamarah

    Bamarah "Baton Pass Elite"

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    Hello!

    Rain (Drizzle) has always affected the metagame negatively as it has more than just HO as an option to team build. With the introduction of X & Y most of us thought that the weather wars were over. But going into OR / AS that is not completely true.

    With Damp Rock being used it makes it feel like we're still in the BW days.

    So lets see what Rain can do for you on the battle field...

    • Increases the power of Water Type moves by 50%.
    • Allows Thunder & Hurricane to have 100% accuracy.
    • Activates the following Abilities: Dry Skin, Forecast, Hydration, Rain Dish, & Swift Swim.
    • Decreases the power of Solar Beam & all Fire Type moves by 50%.

    With those effects Pokémon like these get some serious boosts...

    Heliolisk: With great Speed it gets a recovery option with Dry Skin while having access to a 100% accurate Thunder STAB.
    Ludicolo: Rain Dish + Subseed can stall or the Swift Swim + Life Orb variant allows it to sweep.
    Jirachi: With a set like Calm Mind / Substitute / Thunder / Water Pulse makes it very dangerous. Also, thanks to the decrease to Fire type moves that Rain provides its Sub will be harder to break after a few uses of Calm Mind.
    Tornadus or Tornadus-T: Spamming 100% accurate STAB Hurricanes is nothing to laugh at.
    Kingdra: Using STAB Hydro Pumps (Sometimes with Specs) or Surf with great speed thanks to Swift Swim still murders teams.
    Mega Swampert: Using Waterfall with a 150 base Attack stat plus Swift Swim for Speed can really put a hurting on your opponent.


    Seeing all of these advantages would make even the beginning player use such a dominant weather. With not too many checks or counters to most of the Pokémon that benefit from Rain while it's in effect also seems appealing.

    Now for counters / checks, you could easily use the other weathers available (Sun, Sand, & Hail) to somewhat try to counter Rain but since there's new threats (Megas) & options available I doubt anybody would wanna go that route. Not to mention, the other weathers don't have the availability that Rain does as to what Pokémon (Kubotops, Omastar, etc...) you can use with it.

    Priority users can help to a degree but with bulky Water Types (Jellicent & Suicune) most of those Priority moves might not do the job. Water & Volt Absorbers (Jolteon & Lanturn) can also help but they seem to benefit more from being on Rain teams than actually opposing them.

    Grass types can definitely increase your chances of beating Rain but you'd probably have to run a Grass mono just to have a shot of outlasting a solid Rain team. But with 100% accurate Hurricanes being used that's not gonna happen. But then again that condones "centralization" which is not healthy for any tier.

    So with these examples of what Rain can do pretty much sums up that Rain is too much for a tier that simply lacks the necessary things to stop it as a whole.

    In my honest opinion... a complete Ban of Rain would greatly make UU a little bit more bearable & enjoyable as a proper tier.
     
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  3. JeyTheGrey

    JeyTheGrey PWRFL!! YOU NEED A REVIVE!

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    Since there wasn't added anything after the good post from @Bamarah (thank you btw), I'll close this suspect discussion.
    Rain (Drizzle) is an easy way to get up rain, just by switching in Politoed. It does not take a turn to attack (like rain dance) and combined with the damp rock it stays up for 8 turns. While the move Rain Dance can be prevented by taunt for example, Drizzle on the other hand can't (unless other weather or Cloud Nince which are both uncommon). Mega Swampert is hard to counter and is immune to electric type attacks on top of that, making it an awesome rain sweeper. In conjunction with other rain abuser (Ludicolo, Tornadus, Kingdra, Kabutops), you have absolute speed control and additional power boost from the rain.
    If you don't want to lose to rain instantly, you have to run certain Pokemons to be able to take it on. Drizzle is therefore unhealthy for the metagame and will be banned!
    Although banning Drizzle won't erase rain completely from the tier, since there are still Rain Dance Pokemons that can reliably set up rain (like Prankster Tornadus and Sableye), it consumes a turn to set it up and will therefore be easier to play around.
     
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