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[BW2] Dream World UU Legal Pokemon

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Discussion' started by eric the espeon, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon is an espeon.

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    OU list made from stats collected using coyo's stats tool by Crystal Moogle, OU list constructed by kobo1d.

    OU list:
    Blaziken
    Borutorosu
    Breloom
    Burungeru
    Cloyster
    Ditto
    Doryuuzu
    Dragonite
    Erufuun
    Espeon
    Forretress
    Garchomp
    Gengar
    Genosekuto
    Gliscor
    Gyarados
    Heatran
    Hippowdon
    Jarooda
    Kerudio
    Kingdra
    Nattorei
    Ninetales
    Ononokusu
    Politoed
    Randorosu
    Roobushin
    Salamence
    Sazandora
    Scizor
    Shandera
    Skarmory
    Starmie
    Tyranitar
    Urugamosu
    Vaporeon
    Zapdos
    Zoroaaku
    Zuruzukin
    [/HIDE]

    UU Legal:
    Bulbasaur
    Ivysaur
    Venusaur
    Charmander
    Charmeleon
    Charizard
    Squirtle
    Wartortle
    Blastoise
    Caterpie
    Metapod
    Butterfree
    Weedle
    Kakuna
    Beedrill
    Pidgey
    Pidgeotto
    Pidgeot
    Rattata
    Raticate
    Spearow
    Fearow
    Ekans
    Arbok
    Pikachu
    Raichu
    Sandshrew
    Sandslash
    Nidoran-F
    Nidorina
    Nidoqueen
    Nidoran-M
    Nidorino
    Nidoking
    Clefairy
    Clefable
    Vulpix
    Jigglypuff
    Wigglytuff
    Zubat
    Golbat
    Oddish
    Gloom
    Vileplume
    Paras
    Parasect
    Venonat
    Venomoth
    Diglett
    Dugtrio
    Meowth
    Persian
    Psyduck
    Golduck
    Mankey
    Primeape
    Growlithe
    Arcanine
    Poliwag
    Poliwhirl
    Poliwrath
    Abra
    Kadabra
    Alakazam
    Machop
    Machoke
    Machamp
    Bellsprout
    Weepinbell
    Victreebel
    Tentacool
    Tentacruel
    Geodude
    Graveler
    Golem
    Ponyta
    Rapidash
    Slowpoke
    Slowbro
    Magnemite
    Magneton
    Farfetch'd
    Doduo
    Dodrio
    Seel
    Dewgong
    Grimer
    Muk
    Shellder
    Gastly
    Haunter
    Onix
    Drowzee
    Hypno
    Krabby
    Kingler
    Voltorb
    Electrode
    Exeggcute
    Exeggutor
    Cubone
    Marowak
    Hitmonlee
    Hitmonchan
    Lickitung
    Koffing
    Weezing
    Rhyhorn
    Rhydon
    Chansey
    Tangela
    Kangaskhan
    Horsea
    Seadra
    Goldeen
    Seaking
    Staryu
    Mr. Mime
    Scyther
    Jynx
    Electabuzz
    Magmar
    Pinsir
    Tauros
    Magikarp
    Lapras
    Eevee
    Jolteon
    Flareon
    Porygon
    Omanyte
    Omastar
    Kabuto
    Kabutops
    Aerodactyl
    Snorlax
    Articuno
    Moltres
    Dratini
    Dragonair
    Mew
    Chikorita
    Bayleef
    Meganium
    Cyndaquil
    Quilava
    Typhlosion
    Totodile
    Croconaw
    Feraligatr
    Sentret
    Furret
    Hoothoot
    Noctowl
    Ledyba
    Ledian
    Spinarak
    Ariados
    Crobat
    Chinchou
    Lanturn
    Pichu
    Cleffa
    Igglybuff
    Togepi
    Togetic
    Natu
    Xatu
    Mareep
    Flaaffy
    Ampharos
    Bellossom
    Marill
    Azumarill
    Sudowoodo
    Hoppip
    Skiploom
    Jumpluff
    Aipom
    Sunkern
    Sunflora
    Yanma
    Wooper
    Quagsire
    Umbreon
    Murkrow
    Slowking
    Misdreavus
    Unown
    Wobbuffet
    Girafarig
    Pineco
    Dunsparce
    Gligar
    Steelix
    Snubbull
    Granbull
    Qwilfish
    Shuckle
    Heracross
    Sneasel
    Teddiursa
    Ursaring
    Slugma
    Magcargo
    Swinub
    Piloswine
    Corsola
    Remoraid
    Octillery
    Delibird
    Mantine
    Houndour
    Houndoom
    Phanpy
    Donphan
    Porygon2
    Stantler
    Smeargle
    Tyrogue
    Hitmontop
    Smoochum
    Elekid
    Magby
    Miltank
    Blissey
    Raikou
    Entei
    Suicune
    Larvitar
    Pupitar
    Celebi
    Treecko
    Grovyle
    Sceptile
    Torchic
    Combusken
    Mudkip
    Marshtomp
    Swampert
    Poochyena
    Mightyena
    Zigzagoon
    Linoone
    Wurmple
    Silcoon
    Beautifly
    Cascoon
    Dustox
    Lotad
    Lombre
    Ludicolo
    Seedot
    Nuzleaf
    Shiftry
    Taillow
    Swellow
    Wingull
    Pelipper
    Ralts
    Kirlia
    Gardevoir
    Surskit
    Masquerain
    Shroomish
    Slakoth
    Vigoroth
    Slaking
    Nincada
    Ninjask
    Shedinja
    Whismur
    Loudred
    Exploud
    Makuhita
    Hariyama
    Azurill
    Nosepass
    Skitty
    Delcatty
    Sableye
    Mawile
    Aron
    Lairon
    Aggron
    Meditite
    Medicham
    Electrike
    Manectric
    Plusle
    Minun
    Volbeat
    Illumise
    Roselia
    Gulpin
    Swalot
    Carvanha
    Sharpedo
    Wailmer
    Wailord
    Numel
    Camerupt
    Torkoal
    Spoink
    Grumpig
    Spinda
    Trapinch
    Vibrava
    Flygon
    Cacnea
    Cacturne
    Swablu
    Altaria
    Zangoose
    Seviper
    Lunatone
    Solrock
    Barboach
    Whiscash
    Corphish
    Crawdaunt
    Baltoy
    Claydol
    Lileep
    Cradily
    Anorith
    Armaldo
    Feebas
    Milotic
    Castform
    Kecleon
    Shuppet
    Banette
    Duskull
    Dusclops
    Tropius
    Chimecho
    Absol
    Wynaut
    Snorunt
    Glalie
    Spheal
    Sealeo
    Walrein
    Clamperl
    Huntail
    Gorebyss
    Relicanth
    Luvdisc
    Bagon
    Shelgon
    Beldum
    Metang
    Metagross
    Regirock
    Regice
    Registeel
    Latias
    Latios
    Jirachi
    Deoxys
    Turtwig
    Grotle
    Torterra
    Chimchar
    Monferno
    Infernape
    Piplup
    Prinplup
    Empoleon
    Starly
    Staravia
    Staraptor
    Bidoof
    Bibarel
    Kricketot
    Kricketune
    Shinx
    Luxio
    Luxray
    Budew
    Roserade
    Cranidos
    Rampardos
    Shieldon
    Bastiodon
    Burmy
    Wormadam
    Mothim
    Combee
    Vespiquen
    Pachirisu
    Buizel
    Floatzel
    Cherubi
    Cherrim
    Shellos
    Gastrodon
    Ambipom
    Drifloon
    Drifblim
    Buneary
    Lopunny
    Mismagius
    Honchkrow
    Glameow
    Purugly
    Chingling
    Stunky
    Skuntank
    Bronzor
    Bronzong
    Bonsly
    Mime Jr.
    Happiny
    Chatot
    Spiritomb
    Gible
    Gabite
    Munchlax
    Riolu
    Lucario
    Hippopotas
    Skorupi
    Drapion
    Croagunk
    Toxicroak
    Carnivine
    Finneon
    Lumineon
    Mantyke
    Snover
    Abomasnow
    Weavile
    Magnezone
    Lickilicky
    Rhyperior
    Tangrowth
    Electivire
    Magmortar
    Togekiss
    Yanmega
    Leafeon
    Glaceon
    Mamoswine
    Porygon-Z
    Gallade
    Probopass
    Dusknoir
    Froslass
    Rotom
    Uxie
    Mesprit
    Azelf
    Regigigas
    Cresselia
    Phione
    Shaymin
    Rotom-C
    Rotom-H
    Rotom-F
    Rotom-W
    Rotom-S
    Deoxys-D
    Deoxys-S
    Wormadam-G
    Wormadam-S
    Bikutini
    Tsutaaja
    Janobii
    Pokabu
    Chaobuu
    Enbuoo
    Mijumaru
    Futachimaru
    Daikenki
    Minezumi
    Miruhoggu
    Yooterii
    Haderia
    Muurando
    Choroneko
    Reparudasu
    Yanappu
    Yanakkii
    Boappu
    Baokkii
    Hiyappu
    Hiyakkii
    Munna
    Mushaana
    Mamepato
    Hatoopoo
    Kenhorou
    Shimama
    Zeburaika
    Dangoro
    Gantoru
    Gigaiasu
    Koromori
    Kokoromori
    Moguryuu
    Tabunne
    Dokkora
    Dotekkotsu
    Otamaro
    Gamagaru
    Gamageroge
    Nageki
    Dageki
    Kurumiru
    Kurumayu
    Hahakomori
    Fushide
    Hoiiga
    Pendoraa
    Monmen
    Churine
    Doredia
    Basurao
    Basurao-A
    Meguroko
    Warubiru
    Warubiaru
    Darumakka
    Hihidaruma
    Hihidaruma-D
    Marakacchi
    Ishizumai
    Iwaparesu
    Zuruggu
    Shinboraa
    Desumasu
    Desukan
    Purotooga
    Abagoora
    Aaken
    Aakeosu
    Yabukuron
    Dasutodasu
    Zoroa
    Chiraamii
    Chirachiino
    Gochimu
    Gochimiru
    Gochiruzeru
    Yuniran
    Daburan
    Rankurusu
    Koaruhii
    Suwanna
    Banipucchi
    Baniricchi
    Baibanira
    Shikijika
    Mebukijika
    Emonga
    Kaburumo
    Shubarugo
    Tamagetake
    Morobareru
    Pururiru
    Mamanbou
    Bachuru
    Denchura
    Tesshiido
    Giaru
    Gigiaru
    Gigigiaru
    Shibishirasu
    Shibibiiru
    Shibirudon
    Riguree
    Oobemu
    Hitomoshi
    Ranpuraa
    Kibago
    Onondo
    Kumashun
    Tsunbeaa
    Furiijio
    Chobomaki
    Agirudaa
    Maggyo
    Kojofuu
    Kojondo
    Kurimugan
    Gobitto
    Goruggo
    Komatana
    Kirikizan
    Baffuron
    Washibon
    Uooguru
    Baruchai
    Barujiina
    Kuitaran
    Aianto
    Monozu
    Jiheddo
    Meraruba
    Kobaruon
    Terakion
    Birijion
    Torunerosu
    Kyuremu
    Meloetta[/HIDE]

    Loads of very strong Pokemon ended up in UU, hopefully people will find their power and start using them enough in OU to get them out of this tier (UU Metagross, [email protected], Jirachi, most Deoxys formes, Celebi, Suicune, Blissey, Mew, Kyuremu..). We can expect huge changes to the tier over the coming months, likely rendering suspect early testing useless.

    Edit: If someone wants to make a list of Pokemon which may have some viability, I'll edit it into the OP.
     
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  2. Jcpdragonx

    Jcpdragonx the business business

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    Thanks to everyone who put this together, many of us have been looking forward to a UU tier. Might be a while till we have stability in the UU tier, but of course there will be a lot that will change.
    I am happy to see Dragonite solidly in OU, he has too much competition. Many people have been criticizing Ononokusu about his limited movepool and such, so I am happy to see him in OU. BL tier this year is going to be interesting, and probably larger than gen 4s.
    Also, I can see Ditto being suspect for UU/NU in the future.
     
  3. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    Look, Metagross and others are overpowered, but there's enough of them that counter each other to get them not sent into BL.
     
  4. Cake

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    "Probably" larger than 4's? Gen 4's BL list? I lol'd. It's like what, Raikou, Yanmega, Honchkrow, Gallade, and Cresselia? It's going to bigger than gen 3's BL list probably.
     
  5. Jcpdragonx

    Jcpdragonx the business business

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    Well despite the fact that its more than likely, there isn't a need to be a smart ass about it. You never know how the tiers will turn out.
     
  6. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon is an espeon.

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    It's not an absurd statement. There is effectively 0 chance that it will be anything like Gen 3's size, because of the way BL is organized. The power level of UU does not matter, it's the power level of UU relative to the rest of the tier. If there are enough very strong Pokemon down there, we may see very few bans (comparable to Gen 4, perhaps a little higher.).
     
  7. Noog

    Noog So much potential...

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    I'm expecting Hail to be the dominant weather in the UU tier; after all, all the other automatic weather inducers have been set as OU or Ubers. Without Rain Dance, Sunny Day, Sandstorm or the Cloud Nine ability, hail can't be stopped now.
     
  8. Galblade

    Galblade FAT PRINCESS

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    Vulpix and Hippopotas can still bring in perma sun and sand, so there are ways around hail. I can't believe this is finally here. Time to do some testing (later).

    Edit: Golduck and Lickiliky would probably work better in UU where the power levels of the weather teams is significantly lower.
     
  9. Mattstah

    Mattstah Emotional Sickness

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    Zoroark made the cut? Wow...

    Anyway, Mew as first suspect for UU, shall we?
     
  10. Galblade

    Galblade FAT PRINCESS

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    I'm thinking after a week we should decide on having an initial banlist. Too many of the mons in UU atm, eg. Mew, Kyuremu, Deo N and S, Wobb are clearly broken just like the base 670+ mons in OU were.
     
  11. Pizza

    Pizza I'm so bad at this game.

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    I hate the fact that I missed the UU thread. Anyway...

    The OU cut off way insanely high. 5% would've been too high last gen, with even less Pokemon. Since there are more OU viable Pokemon this time around, the cut off should be lowered. Things like [email protected] and the Deoxys formes shouldn't be in UU. UU should have been held off until the OU metagame settled down.
     
  12. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    This is just different. You could see this tier as "Lower OU" and then an additional tier would be made as "UU".
     
  13. Erebos

    Erebos Banned

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    This. The cutoff is currently at 5%, which is quite high. This tier looks more like last generation's OU tier rather than an UU tier. This tier will fluctuate greatly. It is also a test tier, meaning that it will have no impact on the Standard UU which will be made using WiFi usage stats, and not Dreamworld OU usage stats. We just want to see how it goes.
     
  14. Wichu

    Wichu New Member

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    Just wondering, what stats were used to get the OU list? According to the on-site stats, Pokémon like Latios and Goruggo should be OU, and others like Kerudio and Forretress should be UU.
     
  15. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon is an espeon.

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    ladysalamence Member

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    I swear too many people are complaining about this. Over today and yesterday, I put down a "mob" of about 7 people, and today, 3 more...
     
  17. Hayley Williams

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    All the Pokemon in that UU list that have shocked me;
    Bold = Very shocked
    Normal = Shocked
    Italic = Meh, kinda shocked.

    Alakazam
    Machamp
    Tentacruel

    Slowbro
    Chansey
    Aerodactyl
    Snorlax
    Mew
    Wobbuffet
    Porygon2
    Blissey
    Suicune
    Celebi
    Swampert
    Flygon
    Metagross
    Latias
    Latios

    JirachiDeoxys
    Infernape

    Empoleon
    Roserade
    Lucario
    Magnezone
    Togekiss
    Azelf
    Warubiaru

    Rankurusu
    Agirudaa
    Terakion
    Birijion

    I can't judge too much, though. I've mainly been playing in Wifi, rather than Dream World.
    But, personally, from the assumptions we gathered last generation about UU, I find the Pokemon in bold way too strong for UU play. Although, perhaps we shouldn't bring past assumptions about UU into this discussion, for all I (we) know, the UU metagame mind have changed/be changing.
    Honestly, I think BL has the possibility of being a viable tier this generation.
    Something that shocked me from looking at the statistics last night, was that Stantler had the same amount of usage as Latias. (in Wifi) That's pretty messed up.
     
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  18. ladysalamence

    ladysalamence Member

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    This is temporary until we finish suspect testing.

    Anyone under 5% is UU. And the overall feeling of "Don't use the 4th gen ubers!" isn't helping. Catch my drift?
     
  19. Ice-eyes

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    I am mystified as to why the only UU tier we have is based on Dream World and not Wifi.
     
  20. Wavy

    Wavy prince of the sea Server Moderator Server Moderator

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    There are definitely some super tough Pokemon in UU, it looks like some OU guys got shoved down by the new Pokemon. I say the list should be spread out. Either that or we eventually develop a fairly large BL tier.

    I thought this over and this would only serve to spread out what little UU players we have.
     
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  21. Ice-eyes

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    If you take the Wifi statistics, incidentally, the list is slightly less ridiculous - the likes of Latios, Infernape, Metagross, Jirachi, Rankurusu and Blissey are kept in OU according to the November Wifi stats.
     
  22. -Manaphy--

    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    For now, it's a test tier, and most testing goes by Dream World since it's the 'soon-to-be' Wi-Fi metagame.
     
  23. Ice-eyes

    Ice-eyes Member

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    But surely it would be better to go with the current metagame? 'Soon' is undefined.
     
  24. Crystal Moogle

    Crystal Moogle Ayaya~ Administrator Administrator

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    It keeps changing though. Politoed and Ninetales just got released. It's not wise to make a UU from that yet.
     
  25. -Manaphy--

    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    Dream World will become Wi-Fi. That is why all the Suspect Disscusions for OU are in DW.
     
  26. Drigger

    Drigger Fabula Nova Crystallis

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    Crystal Moogle Ayaya~ Administrator Administrator

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    Stats are combined from /tr/ as well.
     
  28. Drigger

    Drigger Fabula Nova Crystallis

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    well i can see how that would negatively affect certain pokemon [latios, porygon2, rankurusu] seeing how /tr/ doesnt see as much battles as beta...

    It's severly funny how Latios went from being an uber to not being able to make OU...
     
  29. ladysalamence

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    Funny? I find it bothersome. I've seen quite a few people go "Oh, this guy's using ubers, I'm going to deny his request!" or "Me? Use ubers? Blasphemy!"
     
  30. Galblade

    Galblade FAT PRINCESS

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    You know what I find half funny, people saying that all these broken pokemon will baance themselves out when the majority of them are Psychic or Dragon who cannot really counter each other...
     
  31. ladysalamence

    ladysalamence Member

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    Same here, Gallblade.
    I'll probably update this post with usable UU pokemon.

    Sadly, I'll need help. You need to find a usable set out of weather.
    Why out of weather? Well, as far as I understand, UU won't be so much weatherized as OU is.
    Please just post which ones you want.

    You're welcome to use NFE's with evo stones.

    As of right now, I simply want to compile a list, then test it after the list is compiled.
     
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  32. Galblade

    Galblade FAT PRINCESS

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    Actually, UU is very centered around sun. So expect swarms of them.
     
  33. ladysalamence

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    What's the chance of it appearing?
    # 39 - Vulpix (4.65 %)
    Very centered?
     
  34. Galblade

    Galblade FAT PRINCESS

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    Thats from 43 matches, the statistics haven't been updated for a while.
     
  35. ladysalamence

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    I didn't notice that...

    I have a question, Gal. Are Likiliky, Golduck, Altaria or Rayquaza allowed in UU?
    Those can easily counter weather.

    Especially this guy could counter Sun:
    Golduck (M) @ Leftovers/Choice Scarf
    Trait: Cloud Nine
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Filler Move
    - Filler Move

    Go for Choice Scarf if you want, I prefer Leftovers so you can beat most Sun abusers, fire or grass types.
     
  36. Stofil

    Stofil Hello Miss Galaxy

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    How will it ever stop anything even slightly bulky? Venusaur no doubt laughs at the duck and its meh damage output, I don't think Golduck will be very efficent in stopping weather until a NU comes along.
     
  37. pokemonnerd

    pokemonnerd Only uso listens to pnerd. Devo too. Article Contributor Article Contributor

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    >Rayquaza
    >UU
    Sorry, just had to point that out :p And even in last gen's NU, Golduck really wasn't that good of a pokemon to have around. Even with sandstorm all over the place with Regirock to abuse it. Plus the fact that your surfs do pitiful damage with the sun up. Lickilicky is too slow and can't really do enough damage overall to make an impact on most weather teams. Altaria might be a decent check, though.
     
  38. ladysalamence

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    Altaria it is. I don't have PO on this comp, could somebody make a set?
     
  39. Stofil

    Stofil Hello Miss Galaxy

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    Altaria will probably enjoy stopping sun, since she 4x resists grass and resists fire. If weather abusers start running ice attacks however, the situation looks grim. Wouldn't things like ev-stone munchlax be a pretty good check to weather teams thanks to thick fat and insane special bulk?
     
  40. ladysalamence

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    That would actually be a viable option...