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[Skeleton] Obamasnow

Discussion in 'NU Analyses' started by Spoovo The Pirate, Feb 27, 2015.

  1. Spoovo The Pirate

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    == General ==

    Abomasnow is one of those pokemon both blessed and cursed. Its Ice/Grass typing may be unique, but on the other hand, that typing curses it with seven weaknesses, meaning it ties with the Exeggutor line and Celebi for the most in the entire game. Which isn't exactly something to brag about.

    However, Game Freak were especially kind to the political yeti this generation, giving it an awesome mega evolution. Mega Abomasnow is even slower than its normal form, however in exchange for that, it gained a reasonable bulk increase, and a huge power increase, with base 132 offences. This therefore means that Mega Abomasnow packs some serious power, and therefore threatens just about anything that doesn't resist its attacks.

    Abomasnow's niche has always been solid since its inception; until Hidden Ability Aurorus is released, it will be the only pokemon with Snow Warning in the entire game, which is reason for usage alone. Its normal form has a useful ability in Soundproof, which means it can switch in for free on moves like Bug Buzz, and use this momentum to mega evolve. Big threats like Yanmega can easily be forced out by a well-played Abomasnow.

    However, Mega Abomasnow is not without its flaws. The low base Speed means that it outrun very easily, in spite of a powerful priority Ice shard, and the myriad of weaknesses means that it's hard not to have coverage for Mega Abomasnow. When all is said and done though, Mega Abomasnow may not be winning any elections, but it'll certainly win your heart.

    == Specially Based Mixer ==

    Abomasnow @ Abomasite
    Ability: Soundproof -> Snow Warning
    EVs: 248 HP / 68 Atk / 192 SAtk
    Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)

    -Blizzard
    -Giga Drain / Wood Hammer
    -Ice Shard
    -Earthquake

    With the four given moves, Mega Abomasnow boasts, great overall coverage, hitting just about everything for neutral or better damage, with only Bronzong slipping through.

    It hits really damn hard with base 132 offences, even with little investment. A STAB Blizzard coming off of 382 Special Attack will hurt just about anything that doesn't resist, and plenty that do. Giga Drain is less powerful, but restores Mega Abomasnow's HP so it can battle on. Wood Hammer can be used instead to hit harder, but that also radically impacts Mega Abomasnow's survivability. Both Grass STABs are perfectly viable, and really down to choice.

    Ice Shard in slot 3 is powerful priority. With the given Attack EVs, it all but guarantees the OHKO on Noivern and Yanmega after Stealth Rock damage on the turn that Abomasnow mega-evolves. Earthquake in slot 4 covers for whatever resists the STABs. This is mostly Steel-types, however Fire-types like (Mega) Camerupt and bulky Poison-types like Skuntank will also get mauled by it.

    A Quiet nature is chosen because Mega Abomasnow is already really slow, so it won't mind the loss in Speed. 248 HP takes Abomasnow to its highest odd HP stat, minimising Stealth Rock damage and optimising bulk. 68 Attack EVs are invested for the reasons listed above, and the rest are poured into Special Attack for overall power.

    Soundproof is used over Snow Warning as Abomasnow's pre-mega ability because it gains Snow Warning when Mega Evolving anyway, and Soundproof gives it a chance to switch in for free, carefully timing an opponent's Bug Buzz or similar. It won't often come in useful, but there's always that chance.

    If you're using three physical attacks instead of special, going physically based can be done instead. If that sounds like a good idea to you, you could simply go 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SAtk Brave instead.

    == Other Options ==

    Abomasnow has a pleasantly wide movepool for its typing, including Shadow Ball and Hidden Power Fire, both of which can be used to hit Bronzong harder than anything else Abomasnow has access to. Focus Punch, Focus Blast, Frost Breath, Ice Punch, Bullet Seed, Seed Bomb, Return, and other Hidden Power types are the rest of the viable movepool.

    SubSeeding sets can be done, and these sets can also employ Focus Punch, much like Cacturne. Different typing and a more reliable priority in Ice Shard makes this appealing.

    Swords Dance is in Abomasnow's movepool, and can easily be abused, with Swords Dance, Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb, Earthquake and Ice Shard being perfectly useable. Mega Abomasnow's awful Speed stat does hold it back a bit however, and while it has Ice Shard to rectify this, it's still easily revenge killed by Fire-types, almost all of which can outrun it without difficulty.

    All out attacking sets can be done, simply by maxing both attacking stats. This will rarely gain any KOs that the listed set won't, however, and it'll cut into Mega Abomasnow's bulk, which it won't appreciate, especially if it spams Wood Hammer. Similarly, Mega Abomasnow can also invest in some Speed to get the jump on naturally faster targets. Cutting heavily into its bulk is again not recommended though.

    Lastly, it's worth noting that Abomasnow has Grass Whistle for putting opponents to sleep. It's not recommended, due to its awful accuracy.

    == Checks and Counters ==

    Fire. Mega Abomasnow may be bulky, but just about any Fire attack will melt its chances. Said Fire-types can't so easily switch in, because an Earthquake will seriously hurt, and even a resisted STAB will sting, however once they're in safely, they can take Abomasnow out pretty easily.

    If Fire isn't an option, Abomasnow has six other weaknesses to exploit; Flying, Bug, Poison, Steel, Rock, and Fighting. Basically all of these attacks are at least somewhat common in the NU tier, and if it has some power behind it, odds are Mega Abomasnow won't survive it. The likes of Sawk's Close Combat or Skuntank's Poison Jab are strong enough to OHKO after Stealth Rock damage. Note that they can't always switch in safely, however Abomasnow is easily outrun. Watch out for Ice Shard at all times, however.

    Bronzong is essentially the number one answer to Abomasnow, resisting everything it commonly uses and hitting back with a powerful Steel STAB. It has to use Iron Head if it reliably wants to hurt Mega Abomasnow due to its low Speed, but that's a small loss against something that can barely touch it.

    Ninetales may be a Fire-type, but it gets a special mention for ruining Mega Abomasnow's Hail simply by switching in, thanks to Drought. It also won't like an Earthquake, but can run an Air Balloon for that purpose alone if needed, and fry Mega Abomasnow with any STAB.

    Tough walls like Mega Audino can tank hits on either side, however unless it carries Flamethrower, it can't really damage Mega Abomasnow all too well. Assault Vest Eelektross is a decent answer, tanking any special hit well enough, and being immune to Earthquake. It won't fare so well if Abomasnow packs Wood Hammer, however it only needs to survive one hit and fire back a Flamethrower for an easy OHKO. Even an uninvested Flamethrower will OHKO after Stealth Rock damage, meaning Eelektross can focus more on its bulk if needed. Another Assault Vest user that beats Mega Abomasnow fairly easily is Bouffalant, packing great overall bulk, more than enough Speed to outrun, Sap Sipper to absorb Grass STABs, and a powerful Megahorn to tear through Mega Abomasnow with.
     
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    idk about NU, but in LU it had a really great Swords Dance set since it could tank hits pretty well.
    Something like max hp, max attack with SD/Seed Bomb (recoil sucks)/Ice Shard/Earthquake. Probably could creep some speed EVs. Not sure if the set you posted outclasses it though since I haven't played NU much/at all.

    Also:
    8 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 268 - 316 (86.2 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
    8 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 268 - 316 (86.2 - 101.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO from 93%

    20 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 268 - 324 (86.2 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
    20 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 268 - 324 (86.2 - 104.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO from 93%

    44 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 276 - 328 (88.7 - 105.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
    44 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 276 - 328 (88.7 - 105.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO from 93%

    68 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 280 - 336 (90 - 108%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
    68 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 280 - 336 (90 - 108%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO from 93%

    It's a guaranteed KO for all of them after Life Orb damage + Hail damage. The first halves of the calculations seem relevant on the mega evolution turn.
    Yanmega too:
    8 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Yanmega in Hail: 126 - 150 (40.3 - 47.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Hail from 50%
    68 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Yanmega in Hail: 132 - 156 (42.2 - 49.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Hail from 50%

    Both of these mons are threats in the NU metagame, so it may be advisable to suggest some kind of small investment in attack (I wouldn't say any more than 68 though, any gains after that are much lower). It also has the plus side of adding a little more power to Earthquake for possibly wearing down Fire types on the switch in more efficiently.
     
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    yeah, I'd noticed that people were running low Attack investment on their sets (most common I'd seen was 64 Atk)

    With the power and typing, I wouldn't be surprised if SD was worth a full set. Hopefully someone'll post with input on that.
     
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    68 attack is probably best since both pokes could possibly invest their remaining 4 EVs into their Defense stat. It would prevent a situation like this:

    64 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/4 Def Noivern: 276 - 328 (88.7 - 105.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
    64 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/0 Def Noivern: 280 - 336 (90 - 108%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

    68 EVs guarantees the 50% chance to KO for both scenarios.
     
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    OK, changes updated, and hopefully awaiting some input on the Swords Dance set. What are your thoughts, @Weavile ?

    Granted, Mega Obama could be moving up or banned come next month, but it never hurts to have an analysis ready if it comes back down again.
     
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    Uhm, I was thinking that EVs probably should be used to max out special attack first. idk the calculations on how aboma tanks hits in NU, but usually blizzard wants all the power it can get.
     
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    Yeah, I'm torn between those two myself. I mean, the loss of 17 Special Attack points doesn't seem to make a huge difference in terms of KOs:

    192+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Granbull: 289-342 (75.4 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery
    252+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Granbull: 303-357 (79.1 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery

    192+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Camerupt: 184-217 (53.4 - 63%)
    252+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Camerupt: 192-226 (55.8 - 65.6%)

    192+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Audino: 157-186 (38.2 - 45.3%) -- 75% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and hail damage
    252+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Audino: 163-193 (39.7 - 47%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and hail damage

    That last one's fairly significant I guess, but a 75% chance is still pretty damn likely. (I picked these out at semi random, just for perspective's sake). If someone wants the Special Attack investment swapping though, I'm happy with that.