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[3v3 Singles] Salamencite Suspect Test [Banned]

Discussion in 'Gen 6 Side Metagames' started by Edna, Dec 25, 2015.

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  1. Edna

    Edna Chasing the Dragon Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Discuss the effects of Mega Salamence on the 3v3 Singles metagame and the possibility of banning it. Post intelligently based off of experience in the metagame. Posts based off theorymon risk forum infractions. i.e. if you play 3v3 Singles at all, then post.

    Attempt to find the checks and counters (or lack thereof) for Mega Salamence as well as its impact and power in the metagame. Do not simply say "it's broken" or "it's not broken". Back up your arguments on why you think it should be banned or not.

    If a consensus is reached or a clear majority is established, then the result will likely be implemented in the metagame, otherwise it will go to a vote. Happy suspecting.
     
  2. La.Melle2402

    La.Melle2402 I'm the bone of my sword

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    Now where Mega Kangaskhan is banned (fuck all who voted for a ban) Mega Salamence needs to be banned , too. After a Dragon Dance it can 1hko most pokemon in this tier. It has no real switch ins and no counters. So ban it asap.
     
  3. TraceofLife

    TraceofLife Lucky Strike

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    Mega Mence literally just wins every match-up ever after a DD, it's literally impossible to tank a hit from Mega Mence after a DD,no switch-ins, counters, checks and such. this pokemon proves to be overpowered for the tier. hence why i believe this Pokemon needs to Banned from 3v3 Singles as soon as possible.
     
  4. Funbot28

    Funbot28 Active Member

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    Although I quite didn't agree on the Mega Kanga ban, Mega Mence is something that I honestly believe would better if it just left. It's decent bulk accompanied by it's adequate offensive capabilities makes it very difficult to stop setting up Dragon Dance's. After +1, it usually means gg, as even priority has a hard time taking it down thanks to it's amazing 130 Defense and Intimidate. The only real counters I have seen so far are phy def Rotom-W, Porygon 2 with Ice Beam, and Zapdos with HP Ice.

    I have been abusing this set, which completely demolishes bulky walls who rely on status to take down setup sweepers:
    Salamence @ Salamencite
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 Spe
    - Dragon Dance
    - Roost
    - Return
    - Substitute
    Basically sets up a sub on anything trying to status it or hit it with -1 Atk and proceeds to sweep.

    Tl;DR: Mega Mence is way too overpowering in the current meta, leaving the opp to use kinda niche sets to deal with it. This is an easy ban for me.

    Edit: I thought gifs were not allowed :0
     
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  5. Edna

    Edna Chasing the Dragon Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    So Mega Salamence is one pokemon that you have to take into account every single time you build in 3v3 singles for a lot of reasons:

    - Its sheer power has no limit, between the DD sets, the sub sets, the fully special sets, it's a force to be reckonned with.
    - Mega mence requires no support, it can work on its own, tank Ice shard from mamoswine and crit Brave bird from Talonflame, which means you can hardly revenge kill it with priority. That does mean unless you run a Scarf Greninja or a Sash Mon with Ice beam, it will literally decimate your team.
    - It has no counter part, you can play it in literally any team, bring it in literally any moment to set up. With Dual Screen utility, it can set up with Substitute easily ( Uxie being a good partner to set up screens) and then proceed to sweep.

    We originally wanted to quickban but it has been decided to open a suspect. Salamencite is overpowered in 3v3 Singles and will be banned as the clear majority wants it. We will open a suspect soon so keep it up!
     
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