So I believe we should have a thread to discuss possible suspects for the Balanced Hackmons metagame, as i believe it is not balanced in it's current state. A TL can open an official suspect thread if they wish, but this will act as one as of now. The three pokemon I believe that should be put in question are: Here are the most common sets: Spoiler: Sets Primal Groudon @ Choice Band Trait: Tinted Lens/Desolate Land EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe - V-create - Thousand Arrows - U-turn/Bolt Strike - Trick Primal Kyogre @ Toxic Orb Trait: Poison Heal EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe - Steam Eruption/Scald - Quiver Dance - Moonblast/Leech Seed - King's Shield Mega Rayquaza @ Life Orb Trait: Aerilate EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe - Fake Out - Extreme Speed - Boomburst - Magma Storm/Spore/King's Shield There are many other sets, but these are the most broken ones imo The Hoen Trio really restrict the metagame and teambuilding to a point where your team would be at a serious disadvantage if at least one of them is not on your team. There huge 780 BST really are what makes them overbearing for the tier to handle, only being rivaled by the Mega Mewtwo's (another problem that should be addressed later). These pokemon really do not add any healthy elements to the metagame, almost completely invalidating stall teams, due to them not being able to handle their strong attacks. Most BH teams I see now are composed of -ate check/Imposter Check/Chansey/Sleep absorber/Shedinja check/Filler (usually one of the Heon trio). This really makes most teams almost identical, and really decelerates the progression of the metagame. I personally advocate the ban of the two Primal pokemon, but I am still unsure of Mega Rayquaza, as it can be more easily checked. Discuss the possibility of banning these pokemon in the Balanced Hackmons metagame, so that there can hopefully be an official discussion thread. Please no shitposting. You can also discuss other potential bans as well, but try to focus on these three first.