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[WIP] Pokémon Through the Generations: Charizard

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  1. Annoying Orange

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    Overview
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    If competitive Pokemon were a popularity contest, Charizard would have been Ubers since the release of Red and Blue. Charizard was nothing short of a bad ass on screen. As the generations passed, everyone realized Charizard no longer as good as it was hyped up to be. That didn't stop the love for the Pokemon that was a debatable candidate for being more popular than the mascot Pikachu.

    In fact, the love for Charizard eventually shined through to Gamefreak. They gave Charizard two more reasons to be loved and used. about two decades after its debut, Charizard got two Mega Evolutions whom still to this day dominate the OverUsed tier.​

    First Generation (RBY/Stadium)

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    Unless you were a hipster in the 90's or prefered cute turtles or grass frogs over fire breathing lizards, you probably chose Charmander as your starter in the first Pokemon games. When you first saw its final evolution, you probably got immediately attached because as children, our mind goes, "COOL FIRE BREATHING WINGED DRAGON! I LOVE IT!". Charizard was great in game. Of course anything ten levels below you that wasn't a resist was going to lose to a Flamethrower. But you probably thought this made it Powerful because you were most likely young and loved the idea of burning everything alive.

    Unfortunately we later learned Charizard wasn't as good in the first generation as we use to think it was. Sure, in Pokemon Stadium you could spam Fire Spin on anything slower and win, but in the actual metagame, it didn't match up well. Fire Spin spam didn't work well because of how weak it was and how comparably slow Charizard was to other things. It was easily outclassed by Moltres at that role.. Fire also wasn't one of the best offendive or defensive typings at the time. Don't get me wrong, Charizard was still actually decent. It wasn't good enough to make the OverUsed tier in its debut though. Charizard gets access to Swords Dance and a few coverage moves such as Fire Blast, Earthquake and Fly, which it didn't get until Yellow Version. You can use it in OU, but it's easily outclassed for now.​

    Second Generation (GSC/Stadium 2)
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    The second generation brought one hundred new Pokemon and several new moves along with them. One of those moves is Belly Drum. Even now, that move strikes fear into opponents any time it's used properly. There weren't many Pokemon to set up on back then though. Common Pokemon such as Suicune, Starmie and Raikou could easily come in to knock it out whether it set up or not. It is great for setting up on the infamous Skarmory/Blissey core but you'd need a lot of team support with it. What makes it better for Charizard is that Charizard was the fastest Pokemon to get access to Belly Drum. At the time, Charizard was able to show a glimpse of its future role as a Wallbreaker by being able to break some of the early walls such as Blissey and Forretress.

    Unfortunately, it wasn't hard to switch out into something to beat it while it set up. It also wasn't easy to support for it to set up and would normally result in a waste of space. It did however did step up from UU as it was considered too good for the tier that generation.​

    Third Generation (R/S/E/XD)

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    With even more Pokemon and moves being introduced, Charizard got a few extra moves such as Brick Break, Dragon Dance and Overheat. It also got a way to boost its speed while using Belly Drum thanks to the Salac Berry. However, Charizard was now even more easily checked by common Pokemon such as Aerodactyle, Zapdos, Milotic, and sometimes Tyranitar. Charizard was still somewhat usable, but everyone could tell its viability was declining. With a bit of support and a lot of competitive knowledge, it was still very usable at this point.

    Ash still had faith in Charizard as he retrieved it from Professor Oak to battle a Frontier Brain's legendary Articuno. Surely he still saw potential in Charizard and surely it was for a good reason.​

    Fourth Generation (DP/Pt/HGSS)
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    Charizard had to make its comeback now, right? No. With the introduction of the fourth Generation, Charizard met its dreadful downfall. Several strong Pokemon were introduced this Generation along with Charizard's kryptonite; Stealth Rock. A combination of these things pushed Charizard down to the depths of being well.. Never Used. Charizard was easily outclassed by a lot of Pokemon in the OU metagame and could barely ever hold its own.

    This didn't stop Charizard from fighting. Despite now being in the NU tier, Charizard could still be a top threat. This Generation introduced the physical/special split which made Charizard able to run Physical or Special sets without losing some of what little Defenses it had to be a mixed attacker. It got to make good use of Dragon Dance and its new move Flare Blitz thanks to the split. Items like Life Orb also helped Charizard get the power buff it needed to hit harder to show it wasn't through with being the top dog ..or lizard yet. These things still made Charizard a scary Pokemon to deal with in the NU tier, especially if your Fire resists were gone.​

    Fifth Generation (BW/BW2)

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    As the next Generation rolled through, Charizard stood in the background. It didn't really change much this go around other than a handful of new moves. It also got access to a new ability in Solar Power which boosts its Special Attack in the Sun while lowering its Hit Points every turn.

    Charizard stood as the top Fire type Pokemon in the NU tier now. There were different ways to run it now such as a Choice Scarf revenge killer/cleaner or sticking to using it as a Wallbreaker. It made use of things like Swords Dance and the newly learned Acrobatics too. Hidden Power got a lot more popular and was usually it's way of taking care of things like Seismitoad or other Water/Rock type Pokemon that are usually anwers to Charizard. As you can see, it was still a major threat in the NU tier. But Charizard wasn't upset about this. It was simply waiting. Being an A tier NU Pokemon wasn't enough for Charizard. The wait was long, but nearly over.​

    Sixth Generation (XY/ORAS)

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    After a long wait, Charizard finally got its time to shine. Mega Evolution was a new mechanic introduced in the sixth Generation of Pokemon. Charizard was one of the fortunate handful of Pokemon that would be able to temporarily evolve into a much stronger version of itself. However, Charizard didn't get one Mega Evolution. It got two. Charizard can mega evolve into two huge offensive threats that can knock off a lot of things with one or two hits. Having two Mega Evolutions, it would be sometimes unpredictable which the opponent would bring.

    Both of its Mega Evolutions pack high offensive stats. The Y variant gets Drought which boosts its Fire type attacks, weakens water type attacks used against it, and allows it to use Solar beam without charging up. On top of that it gets a whopping base 159 Special Attack and decent Physical Attack and Special Defence which are both over 100. The X variant comes packed with Tough Claws and base 130 in both of its offensive stats and a solid 115 in Defense. All of this on top of Charizard's amazing movepool helped it make its way to finally being one of the rulers of the OU Metagame.

    Mega Charizard Y soon became one of the best Wallbreakers in the game. Its amazing Fighting/Fire/Grass coverage made it hard for an opponent to check without anything taking a massive amount of damage. It finally got to make use of Solar Beam, making many of Charizard's usual Water type switch-ins a lot less viable for that role. A sun-boosted Fire Blast from this Pokemon was something only a handful of Pokemon could switch into. Focus Blast completed the coverage for things like Heatran and Tyranitar who resist almost everything else Charizard can throw at it. On top of that, it gets reliable recovery in roost.

    After years of wondering why Charizard wasn't a Dragon type, Nintendo finally seemed to listen. The newly gained Dragon type replacing its secondary Flying type made it neutral to Water and resistant to Electric. It also reduced the damage from Rock type attacks. Charizard X could have multiple roles. One of its roles was being a bulky Fire type which could cripple things with Will-O-Wisp and Roost off damage while still hitting hard thanks to Tough Claws. Its other role is simple, it's meant to set up and sweep the opposing team. Charizard could abuse Swords Dance and Dragon dance and knock out a majority of the metagame in a couple hits. Its movepool consists of things like Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Dragon Claw, and Flare Blitz; all of which are boosted by Touch Claws. It also get Earthquake for coverage to hit the things its other moves couldn't hurt as much.​

    Seventh Generation (Sun/Moon)
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    Sitting happily in the high usage list, this fire breathing dragon waits to see what the next generation will bring for it. Unfortunately for Charizard, there wasn't really anything new. Charizard would have to sacrifice Mega Evolving to use the newly implemented Z Moves. The former was a far better choice as more strong Pokemon were taking over the OU Metagame and this meant a Charizard without a Mega Stone would keep falling down the line. However, the Mega Evolutions saw no problem. Mega Charizard X and Y still show their offensive dominance in the OU metagame. New bulky Water Pokemon such as Toxapex and Tapu Fini aren't even answers as Thunder Punch can knock them both back and Solar Beam can cripple Tapu Fini.

    The metagame isn't settled yet but you can bet you'll still see this Pokemon a lot over the next few years at least.​


    Closing Statement
    Charizard's journey through the generation proves that time heals all wounds. Patience is in fact a virtue. Popularity will help you in the long run. Loyalty can also be thrown in there for the flaming dragon's day one fans. A Pokemon being good or bad can easily change over time as we see in many other Pokemon. Being a lower tier Pokemon isn't bad, but coming from a low tier to the high tier is extraordinary.​
     
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    Looking decent so far. Could maybe use a bit more padding out with future edits, and you've made a couple of grammar mistakes here and there, but it's solid for now.
     
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    reminder: either don't use joke-y pictures or make sure that they're all (around about) the same size
     
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    For Gen 4, you could mention that this is when Charizard got access to Flare Blitz. For BW, you could mention that Charizard got Solar Power. Both of these sections could use a little bit more information about what made Charizard a top threat in NU. Gen 6 has room for a lot more content since it was a generation where Charizard was more relevant than ever before. When discussing Mega Charizard X, you can mention that it has a Fire / Dragon typing. Dragon Dance should be mentioned, but this can probably first be discussed in Gen 4 and / or Gen 5.

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    I dunno, Dragon Dance is a lot more relevant in Gen 6, because Zard actually got some decent mileage out of it. A base 84 Attack wasn't exactly sweeping material, even at +1, whereas Zard X hits twice as hard.

    Mentioning something about Dragon typing being a dream come true for Charizard and/or its fans could also be worthwhile. *shrug*
     
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    I agree that Dragon Dance definitely should be discussed in Gen 6, but it might be worth mentioning in Gen 4 / Gen 5 as well when discussing how Charizard was in NU.
     
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    Can confirm DD Zard was real in NU. Obviously not as "set this out and nuke everything with reckless abandon" as Specs or LO was, but it was pretty dangerous if you didn't have your Fire resist healthy.
     
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    some of your smaller images/gifs arent working.
    I updated a lot.
     
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    Fixed. I moved them to imgur this time, so they should be stable now.
     
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    I think that TPunch should really be at most a passing mention imo. TPunch nails Fini and Azu yes, but they don't appreciate EQ either. EQ also hits BB Toxa more reliably. Maybe mention TPunch hitting Mantine if you hafta detail more? Also X b4 Y cuz ocd.
     
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    Mantine isnt that common in OU. TPunch is almost necessary this gen. definitely not a passing mention. You also have gyarados and pelipper.
     
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    In this section you've made it clear that Charizard wasn't as good as we thought it was, but you don't really give enough reasons as to why this is, so there are a few questions left unanswered. Why doesn't Fire Spin spam work? What does Charizard do well that makes it decent? How is Charizard outclassed? Discussing Charizard in relation to the RBY OU metagame should help answer these questions and give the section a little more substance.

    Similarly to the last section, this section could use a few more details such as common walls it could break / set up on, common walls that still beat it anyway, Pokemon that could switch into it and win, etc.

    This section does better about giving some details about the metagame, but it doesn't say enough about Charizard. What are some of the new moves that it got? Which movesets (doesn't need to be like an importable, but it should have enough detail so that people know what you're talking about) were viable?

    The Gen 4 section looks good. Since it covers HGSS OU, which Charizard is never seen in, and HGSS NU, which is a tier that many people reading this have probably never played, I think it is okay that it doesn't go into metagame specifics, but if you did want to mention a Pokemon or two from HGSS NU, that would be a welcome addition.

    BW2 NU on the other hand, is worth discussing a bit. Since you discussed sets in the previous section, and a lot of that probably carries over, this would be a good chance to discuss the metagame a bit more. This thread may have some ammo that you can use if you want to brush up on Charizard's usage in BW2 NU. Flying Gem looks like something that is Gen 5 specific that could be worth mentioning.

    For Gen 6, it is still worth mentioning somewhere that Mega Charizard X is a Dragon-type. Apart from that, it looks good.

    Gen 7 and the conclusion also look good.
     
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    Gen 1 looks acceptable. When you mention its role as a Fire Spin user, you could add that its inability to boost its Speed via Agility is a primary reason why it is outclassed by Moltres.

    For Gen 2, what switches in while Charizard is setting up and beats it? Starmie and Suicune are probably worth mentioning. Electric-types like Raikou and Jolteon are worth mentioning.

    Gen 3 still needs more content. Salac Berry was a new toy you could discuss that worked well with the Belly Drum set. Substitute + Focus Punch was an option. Apparently, it had access to Dragon Dance in Gen 3 too. "Everyone could tell its viability was dying out" actually isn't accurate either because Charizard was still OU this generation as well.

    Gen 5 and 6 look better.
     
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    Yeah, Dragon Dance was certainly a gen 3 thing for Zard. Not all that amazing, but certainly there at least?