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[Resource] SM Ubers Viability Ranking Thread

Discussion in 'Gen 7 Ubers' started by Mysterious M, Feb 17, 2017.

  1. Mysterious M

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    Hello and welcome to the SM Ubers Viability Rankings. In this thread, we as a community will rank every single usable Pokemon into tiers that reflect their viability in the current Ubers metagame. Everyone is encouraged to post their thoughts and opinions on the rankings provided they are justified by solid reasoning. Poorly made posts will be deleted and multiple occurrences might lead to an infraction.

    S Rank:
    S+

    [​IMG] Primal Groudon

    S

    [​IMG] Xerneas

    A Rank:
    A+


    [​IMG] Mega Gengar
    [​IMG] Yveltal
    [​IMG] Arceus-Normal
    [​IMG] Mega Salamence
    [​IMG]Mega Lucario


    A

    [​IMG] Deoxys-Attack
    [​IMG] Giratina-Origin
    [​IMG] Ho-Oh
    [​IMG] Arceus-Ghost
    A-

    [​IMG] Arceus-Ground
    [​IMG] Arceus-Water
    [​IMG] Arceus-Dark
    [​IMG] Lunala
    [​IMG] Primal Kyogre
    [​IMG] Zygarde-C

    B Rank:
    B+


    [​IMG] Lugia
    [​IMG] Deoxys-Speed
    [​IMG] Celesteela
    [​IMG] Rayquaza
    [​IMG] Ferrothorn
    [​IMG] Dialga
    [​IMG] Excadrill
    [​IMG] Mega Sableye
    [​IMG] Alolan Muk
    [​IMG] Arceus-Dragon
    [​IMG] Arceus-Fairy

    B

    [​IMG] Magearna
    [​IMG] Blissey
    [​IMG] Arceus-Rock
    [​IMG] Tyranitar
    [​IMG] Bronzong
    [​IMG] Mewtwo
    [​IMG] Clefable
    [​IMG] Tapu-Lele
    [​IMG] Arceus-Ice
    [​IMG] Zekrom
    [​IMG] Cloyster
    [​IMG] Giratina

    B-

    [​IMG] Darkrai
    [​IMG] Klefki
    [​IMG] Palkia
    [​IMG]Chansey
    [​IMG] Pheromosa
    [​IMG] Solgaleo
    [​IMG] Mega Scizor
    [​IMG] Skarmory
    [​IMG] Landorous-Therian
    [​IMG] Tapu-Koko
    [​IMG] Toxapex
    [​IMG] Tentacruel
    [​IMG] Buzzhole

    C Rank:
    C+

    [​IMG] Dugtrio
    [​IMG]Wobuffet
    [​IMG] Shuckle
    [​IMG] Aegislash
    [​IMG] Shaymin-S
    [​IMG] Ditto
    [​IMG] Xurkitree
    [​IMG] Mega Kanghaskan
    [​IMG] Kyurem-W

    C

    [​IMG] Blaziken
    [​IMG] Arceus-Steel
    [​IMG] Arceus-Poison
    [​IMG] Smeargle
    [​IMG] Reshiram

    C-

    [​IMG] Arceus-Grass
    [​IMG] Arceus-Electric
    [​IMG] Kyogre


    D Rank:

    [​IMG] Arceus-Fighting
    [​IMG] Arceus-Bug
    [​IMG] Arceus-Fire
    [​IMG] Arceus-Flying
    [​IMG] Arceus-Psychic
    [​IMG] Deoxys
    [​IMG] Deoxys-D
    [​IMG] Genesect
    [​IMG] Groudon
    [​IMG] Landorus

    Blacklist

    All unreleased Mega Stones in SM
    Golduck
    Mandibuzz
    Latios/Latias



    Special thanks to @チャンピオンワタル for making this list along with me.
     
  2. Joyverse

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    Solgaleo? Where is Solgaleo?

    It's a potential A / A- / B+ Rank imo. Nice ability. It's a very good Fairy check (Xern especially), good choice user and setup sweeper as well. Only reason I'd nt see it in A+ or S is it extremely exploitable weaknesses.


    edit: Add Pheromosa in D. Niche option over Deoxys xd.
     
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  3. E.T.

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    Deoxys: D -> Unranked
    Is there any reason for Deoxys to be listed? I don't know of a case where it isn't completely out classed by Deoxys-S, Deoxys-A, or Deoxys-D (if Deo-D is even worth listing as well).

    Eevee: Unranked -> C-
    Extreme Evoboost Eevee is probably worth listing due to the monsters it can create if it sets up and passes its boosts. It does usually require team support, precise timing, good match-up, or Sing shenanigans to work effectively though.
     
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    Pheromosa is already a B- mon though. My guess is that Rapid Spin, Taunt, High Jump Kick, U-turn and great speed tier give it some use.

    Deoxys has an old niche set of being a "wtf is this even an Ekiller check???" by running Chilan Berry and heavy defense investment. It can live a Jolly Life Orb Ekiller Shadow Claw or a +2 Espeed and Use counter to get a kill. The decent speed tier gives it hazard control(by using Taunt)/Hazard set up ability while checking Ekiller to some extent. This mon is really not a good mon to use imo, but if you wonder why it always gets ranked by default, that is probably the reason lol.
     
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    You see, when I had posted that, fsk. Neither Solgaleo nor Pheromosa were there. TL MM sneakily edited the OP silently and cucc'd me.

    Also, Building Compendium will be up in a while~

    EDIT: NO ARCEUS-DARK!!
     
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  6. La.Melle2402

    La.Melle2402 I'm the bone of my sword

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    Solga is a solid B rank imo, not more not less. The problem is its weaknesses. It dies to almost every top ranked Pokemon. Pdon, Espeeder, Arceus Ghost/Ground, Yveltal and Lunala. Its checked pretty but its a good stallbreaker with Z-Splash. The Scarf, Band or Defensive sets are okay too. So B or B- is okay.
     
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    Uhm both of them were there, you are just blind. Added Arceus-Dark. I totally agree with fsk & Melle points. Solgaleo is for B- (perhaps after some time it can prove to be B)
     
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    La.Melle2402 I'm the bone of my sword

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    Gengar-Mega A+ -> S
    Since it doesn't need protect anymore it's even stronger. It has many viable sets 4 attacks, perish trapper, Hex Set, Taunt + Dbond, even Sucker Punch. It gets at least one guaranteed kill in every match if you dont play it bad.
    Arceus-Ground A- -> A or even A+ Its as good as the Ghostceus imo. SD with Z-Move and Special Defog set are the most common sets.
     
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    La.Melle2402 I'm the bone of my sword

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    Nominating Mega Mewtwo y for B- rank.
    It has great speed and spatk. But it has problems with the current meta. It loses to Lunala, is completely useless against Alolan-Muk and also gets rekt by Yveltal and physical Arceus forms.
    I see Mega Mewtwo X a bit better, maybe B or B+.
    The mixed one with Ice Beam kills Zygarde/Mence and strong physical moves pike Low Kick/Poison Jab are for mons like Pdon and Xerneas.
    Both megas are worse than the regular one, so imo an almost wasted mega slot
     
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    Mysterious M Dream /\ Bigger

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    Agreed with Melle, i believe Mega Mewtwo Y -> B- and Mega Mewtwo X -> B (at least for now). I will update the thread in a couple of days, waiting for some more discussion on this.
     
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    I don't play Ubers but I'm genuinely curious: What does Muk so now as a dark/poison for Ubers? Going from shit tier even in LU to actually having a niche in Ubers is a pretty giant leap.
     
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    Yes.

    Because once it's equipped with an AV. It can freely check a lot of the Gen 7 staples such as Lunala, Deoxys-A and Mega Gengar and severely punish them with STAB Pursuit or Knock Off.. Not to mention the utility in Knock Off,also randomly poisoning switch-ins (Due to Poison Touch) being especially useful when using A-Muk in stall. Also fuck MM2Y, totally countered by A-Muk now! :c
     
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  14. La.Melle2402

    La.Melle2402 I'm the bone of my sword

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    Its Muks typing. Strong Mons like Lunala, Gengar, Deoxys-A cant do shit to Muk and getting Pursuited
    Also Landorus D rank? It has a great movepool with Epower/Sludge Wav//HP Ice/Rock Slide/SR/Gravity and other moves. Also it has nice speed. C+ imo
    Smeargle also deserves higher ranking, maybe B rank. Great lead,does multiple hazards+Spore+Nuzzle. Can also be used in gay baton pass teams.
    Klefki from B- to C. The Prankster buff is heavy
     
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    [​IMG] Lunala A- to A / A+

    Anyone else thinks it needs to be up a rank or two maybe? My reasoning here is while it has heavy weaknesses to AMuk , DarkSpammers and Ghosts. It has a way to avoid them using Hypnosis. And ofc I blame, MM for introducing me to the Z-Hyp set and it is the best set ever. it auto-wins against several archetypes (including Stall) once setup and the inclusion of that set should be enough reason for its ascending up a rank.
     
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    Yeh I agree with Mega Gengar to S. Its easily the best Mega right now and can deter nearly every playstyles thanks to the Shadow Tag allowing it to choose it's match ups. The mega evolution buff was insane for it since Taunt + Destiny Bond sets can actually function now without forgoing coverage and all out offensive sets being able to run tech coverage moves like Thunder and HP Ice. Mega Gengar rarely leaves itself to be deadweight in any game and can often open up so many holes in the enemy team virtue of its stats + Stag, enough to warrant it an S rank status imo.

    Other things I can see changed:

    Mega Lucario to A: While the abundance of Dark types being used right now help Mega Lucario break teams greatly, I still don't feel it to be in the same exhalon as other wallbreakers such as Yveltal and Mega Salamence. It still gets outspeed by quite a few offensive threats. It also has a hard time setting up at times due to it having quite frail defensive stats + its weakness to common offensive types such as Fire, Ground, and Fighting. Still amazing mon, but not A+.

    Celesteela to A-: Celesteela is nothing short of great right now due to it being a great blanket check to a slew of offensive threats such as Mega Salamence, Xerneas, Non fire move Primal Groudon, Arceus Steel, and Deoxys-A. Its so splashable on basically any balance build and can really cripple stuff with Leech Seed + Protect stalling. Really great mon that should rise.

    Also agree with Lunala and Klefki noms.
     
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    Lunala to A : sounds good, its really a premiere breaker and its one of the better scarf mons.

    Arceus-Ground to A+ : By far the best arc form right now. CM is deadly, SD Groundium Z is strong while it boasts the best support Arceus set

    Giratina-O and Arceus-Ghost to A- Gira O is really an average defogger given its lack or recover, presence of dark types, and the fact it hates status (toxic don is standard). Arceus-Ghost is a one trick mon on the other hand and isn't that great.
     
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    Magearna B ------> B+ ( or ) A-

    Reason : It lacks recovery but it still can run Leftovers and Pain Split. Fairy / Steel is a nice combo and Mag is like a new Klefki. Mag can check Dark-Types like Yveltal, Arceus-Dark, Darkrai ( Uncommon but Z-Hypno set is still alive somewhere) Fairy-Types like Xerneas, Clefable, Arceus-Fairy and Dragon-Types like Mega Salamence ( Lacking Earthquake ), Kyurem-W ( If Mag is above 70-80% HP ) and Rock types like Arceus-Rock, Tyranitar. Heart Swap can swap Boosted Status which helps vs CM Arc sets and Xerneas. Both of the STAB Fleur Cannon and Flash cannon can hit after the Swapped Boost. So do you think it is a "B" Ranked pokemon???.

     
  19. La.Melle2402

    La.Melle2402 I'm the bone of my sword

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    At first, no one boosts against Magearna and no one stays as well. Magearna has solid SpAtk , a good move pool and a good typing. But thats it. It gets walled by the strongest mons. Pdon can swich in save, ho-oh as well and Arceus Ground too. These 3 are the main threats for Magearna. All it can do in Ubers is to steal the stat changes. Its was too slow to be a late game sweeper and it doesnt work on stall as well.
    Also Yveltal isnt a Checked by Magearna since Heat Wave isnt uncommon these days
    I dont even think Magearna is a B rank mon. I would place it in B-
     
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    Honestly believe what melle said above is absolutely right. Lacking the ability to hit some of the most common ubers mons is a huge drop of momentum if u let a ho-oh/groudon for example switch into a magearna. However, due to its utility of being able to check xerneas and non heat wave yveltal sets and the mons Norman mentioned, it should stay where it is currently that is.

    B