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[Balanced Hackmons] SM Balanced Hackmon Experience Building Tour [Round 1]

Discussion in 'Gen 7 Side Metagames' started by fsk, Feb 17, 2017.

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  1. fsk

    fsk Woke up after a long dream Forum Moderator Server Moderator Forum Moderator Server Moderator

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    Welcome to SM Balanced Hackmons Experience Building Tournament!


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    Dank Banner @Annoying Orange

    This tournament has the purpose of helping the participants build their experience on certain controversial elements in the current SM Balanced Hackmons of Pokemon Online, preparing you with valid arguments in upcoming suspects and bans based on real experience of the meta.


    In each round, there will be a special clause pertaining to the specific controversial element that we are testing. For this round, we are looking at Ability Water Bubble.

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    In order to test whether Water Bubble restricts the team building of SM BH metagame to an unhealthy degree, Water Absorb and Storm Drain are now banned in this round, and Desolate Land on non-fire type pokemon is banned. In this way, you do not have a member of your team dedicated to Water Bubble attackers specifically while doing nothing much else, and we will see if such teams can work out.

    Water Absorb and Storm Drain has little to no use other than checking Water Bubble attackers, while fire type pokemon like Primal Groudon can utilize Desolate Land as it gets rid of its major weaknesses and boost the STAB attack, it is allowed.

    Let me give you some examples of Water Bubble attackers.

    Primal Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Water Bubble
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Water Spout
    - Volt Switch
    - Steam Eruption
    - Trick

    Earth Power/Water Shuriken/ Moongeist Beam can also be used.

    Ash-Greninja @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Water Bubble
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Earth Power
    - Volt Switch
    - Steam Eruption
    - Trick

    Water Spout/Water Shuriken/ Moongeist Beam can also be used.

    Primal Kyogre @ Splash Plate
    Ability: Water Bubble
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Moonblast
    - Leech Seed
    - Judgment
    - Quiver Dance

    Palkia @ Earth Plate
    Ability: Water Bubble
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Core Enforcer
    - Steam Eruption
    - Judgment
    - Quiver Dance/Volt Switch

    Mega Gyarados (F) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Water Bubble
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Shell Smash
    - Crabhammer
    - Power Trip
    - Sunsteel Strike


    If you are not using a self-imposterproof set from above, please make sure you have a teammate in your team that can check the set you are using when opposing chansey imposters them.

    And some examples of non-Water Absorb/Storm Drain checks/counters to some degree. (They apparently does not guarantee you a safe switch-in against certain sets.)

    Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
    Ability: Imposter
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Fake Out
    - Skill Swap
    - Spiky Shield
    - Shore Up

    Primal Groudon @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Desolate Land
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bolt Strike
    - V-create
    - U-turn
    - Trick

    Primal Groudon @ Safety Goggles
    Ability: Desolate Land
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Morning Sun/Shore Up
    - Bolt Strike/Solar Blade
    - Sacred Fire
    - U-turn/Stealth Rock

    Zekrom @ Zap Plate
    Ability: Galvanize
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Fake Out
    - Extreme Speed
    - Boomburst
    - Icicle Crash

    Mega Gyarados (M) @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Knock Off
    - U-turn
    - Spectral Thief
    - Sunsteel Strike

    Giratina @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Spectral Thief
    - Wish
    - King's Shield
    - Filler

    Arceus-Water @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Gastro Acid
    - Wish
    - King's Shield
    - Spectral Thief

    Other than the special Clause, everything is the same as a ladder match.
    You should check the following clauses when challenging, and no more:
    Disallow Spects (to prevent scouting; if you need someone to save logs for you, server mod can still do so since they bypass it.)
    Team Preview
    Self-KO


    In this round, everyone has to battle everyone else once under the specific rule, and every win earns you a point of 2, and a lose earns you 0. Consistent johning will potentially lead to a loss of points.

    Players who played with a team conflicting the specific clause will automatically lose that game so please make sure you bring the correct team. You are encouraged to ask me or other auth on the server to check your team before you start the battle.

    Please also check if your team loaded properly on windows, since bugs happened (see http://pokemon-online.eu/threads/35553/ ) The best way to double check it is open two tabs to challenge yourself.

    You need to save the Battle Logs and send to me through forum PM or server PM in the form of pastebin etc (privately if this round is not over yet) or post in the Tour thread (only after this round ends) to validate the result. If both of you are having trouble saving logs, contact any server auth that is not participating in this tour to save the logs for you. Major Forum Tournament rule applies, including activity calls.

    Since this is a round robin tournament, please post your PO trainer ID and your availability in this thread as detailed as possible. Timezone must be indicated explicitly.

    An example
    PO trainer ID: fsk, antinoobbeating
    Channel you can find me in Beta Server: #Tournaments
    Availability: Everyday 7-11 PM Central Time, i.e. 1-5 AM GMT; Sat & Sun 10AM-3PM Central Time, i.e. 4-9 PM GMT. Except on Xth & Yth of March of my timezone I won't be here.

    Round 1 starts from Feb 25th and lasts till March 9th. You can now start battle each other!


    - BO1, Round Robin BH battle.
    - Ability Water Absorb, Ability Storm Drain are banned; Ability Desolate Land on non-fire type pokemon is banned.
    - A team conflicting the specific clause will automatically lose. You can ask me/server mod to check your team b4 you battle.

    - Save the Battle Logs and send to me in private (pastebin and forum PM/ server PM).
    - Rounrd 1 is Feb 25th - March 9th. Post in this thread about when you are available with the timezone indicated explicitly.

    ParticipantsチャンピオンワタルFunbot28willdbeastvelvet bloodjinwengongInfaEvilDingoRobotMr. SubbsSCORE
    チャンピオンワタルN/AWWWWWWx12
    Funbot28LN/AWWxLWW8
    willdbeastLLN/ALLWWWA6

    velvet blood
    LLWN/AWLxW6
    jinwengongLxWLN/AWWW8
    InfaLWLWLN/AWW8
    EvilDingoRobotLLLxLLN/AW2
    Mr. SubbsxLLALLLLN/A0
    * indicates that the log is missing and the result would not count until the log is provided.
    WA/LA meaning win/lose by activity.
    http://challonge.com/posmbh1
    If there is anything i missed out, pls message me so I can look into it.


    Good luck to you all!
     
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  2. Infa

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    La.Infa, La.DWize
    PO Trainer ID: La.DWize
    #tournaments
    Every day from 12pm to 3am or so at -4 GMT, but I could be on outside of those hours as well (almost always on the phone lol)


    fsk edit: In your local time, pls find Willdbeast at 2 - 6 pm, Funbot28 12 - 6 pm, EDR 7 - 9 pm, Velvet Blood 9pm - 12am, Lance 6 AM-7AM, and jinwengong maybe at the beginning of your stay if he stays a bit longer (ideally decide a date with him). Pls schedule with Edna via profile post etc.
     
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  3. willdbeast

    willdbeast All round nice guy

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    Willdbeast
    18:00-22:00 GMT every day and maybe for short periods about 13:00 if necessary but I won't be on except to battle

    fsk edit: Pls find Funbot28/La.Dwize during anytime you've stated; Schedule via profile post with Edna, jinwengong, Lance ( チャンピオンワタル on forum), and velvet blood. Try to meet EDR by staying 1 more hour, or schedule via profile post.
     
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  4. Mr. Subbs

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    how do i save battle logs?
     
  5. Edna

    Edna Chasing the Dragon Forum Moderator Tournament Host Forum Moderator Tournament Host

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    gmt +1
    free at very randoms moments cause of uni

    fsk edit: Well, I know you are busy but still have to schedule with everyone else via profile post or try to hit them during their stay. thx!
     
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  6. fsk

    fsk Woke up after a long dream Forum Moderator Server Moderator Forum Moderator Server Moderator

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    Hi, If you are on windows client or webclient, just copy paste the battle log into a pastebin and forum PM or server PM the link to me.
    If you are on Android, you opponent need to save the log. If both of you are on Android, you need to ask any Server Auth to save the log for you.
    Also, Please reply in this thread about your availability in a format the others have done so.
     
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  7. EvilDingoRobot

    EvilDingoRobot HELLOOOOOOOO

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    EDR, Duck Hunt, castillodelacolina (current main on pc), deeeyeenngeeoh, duk go quak, 7418, EvilDingoRobot
    ill mainly be on castillodelacolina but if you find me on any of those alts its me
    6-8 pm EST Timezone (GMT -5) on weekdays, fluctuating on weekends
    if you contact me before setting up a time is ez pz
    if im on phone ill tell you because i cant fight then

    fsk edit: You should find Dwize easily during your stay. Please try to meet Willdbeast or Funbot28 by coming 1 hour earlier, and possibly stay a bit later to fight velvet blood, or schedule via profile post. Schedule via profile post with Edna, 【天龍神】 ワタル ( チャンピオンワタル ), and jinwengong.
     
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  8. Funbot28

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    16:00-22:00 GMT every day usually (if not on PO then hit me up with same alt on PS probably)


    fsk edit: pls find Willdbeast during 18-22 gmt, and find Dwize most of the time during your stay; Meet Lance at the beginning of your stay or get on a little bit earlier, and try to meet EDR by staying 1 more hour some day, or schedule via profile post. Schedule via profile post with Edna, jinwengong and Velvet Blood.
     
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  9. fsk

    fsk Woke up after a long dream Forum Moderator Server Moderator Forum Moderator Server Moderator

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    @jinwengong @チャンピオンワタル @Velvet Blood @Mr. Subbs
    Reminding you that you should all post your availability in the format as I mentioned in the OP. Failing to do so before Feb. 28th may result in DQ. Thx.

    For the others, you can start to battle each other when ready. I have editted your post with a note to find people.
    This round will last till March 9th. Good luck and enjoy! Don't forget to save logs!!!
     
  10. Velvet Blood

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    PO ID: Velvet Blood / poke expert
    GMT-8, available 5 pm - 8 pm weekdays except for Thursday and tuesdays I can also do weekends

    fsk edit: Pls try to meet EDR by logging on a bit earlier so you can fight b4 he leaves, or schedule via profile post. Should find Dwize easily during ur stay; Pls schedule with Funbot28, Willdbeast, jinwengong, Lance and Edna via profile post etc.
     
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  11. jinwengong

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    PO ID:testitube or emp.
    From GMT -8 Timezone
    available 11:00-16:00 GMT everyday

    fsk edit: You can find Lance (【天龍神】 ワタル on PO / チャンピオンワタル on forum) during most time of your stay, and please try stay a bit longer to meet La.Dwize at the end of your stay; Schedule with Funbot28, Willdbeast, jinwengong, Lance and Edna via profile post etc.
     
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  12. チャンピオンワタル

    チャンピオンワタル HYPER BEAM!

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    PO trainer ID: 【天龍神】 ワタル
    Channel you can find me in Beta Server: #Tournaments
    Availability: Most days between 4pm and 2am, GMT+10.

    fsk edit: In your local time, pls find La.Dwize 4pm-5pm, and jinwengong after 9 PM till you leave, and maybe stay a bit longer some day to fight Funbot28. Schedule with Willdbeast, EDR, Velvet Blood and Edna via profile post etc.
     
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  13. チャンピオンワタル

    チャンピオンワタル HYPER BEAM!

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    I have defeated jinwengong 4-2 (since he forfeited before the battle was truly over). GG.

    I have defeated Funbot28 3-0. GG.

    I have defeated Infa 3-0. GG.
     
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  14. Infa

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    Lost vs Lance in a good game 0-3.
    Won vs Velvet Blood in another nice match 4-0 <3
    Won vs Funbot28 ggs
    Lost vs emp in a gg, rip bad cancel button tho lmao made me lose af
    Lost vs willdbeast ggs fren
    Won vs castillo in a gg, water bubble op though
    Won vs Mr. Subbs ggs!
     
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  15. Mr. Subbs

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    thanks!

    I'm good for 4pm - 7pm


    fsk edit: Hi, you did not mention what your timezone is, and what is your PO ID that people can find you on the server, as I mentioned in the OP. Failing to do so before Feb. 28th gmt may result in Activity DQ.
     
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    oh sorry. my time zone is eastern standard and my id is Mr. Subbs
     
  17. チャンピオンワタル

    チャンピオンワタル HYPER BEAM!

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    I have defeated Velvet Blood 1-0. GG.
     
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  18. Mr. Subbs

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    I lost to emp.
     
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    lost vs lance 2-4
    won vs Mr.subbs 3-0
    won vs Infa 4-0
    won vs wildbeast 3-0
     
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  20. willdbeast

    willdbeast All round nice guy

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    Won vs Infa forgot score rip, gg
     
  21. EvilDingoRobot

    EvilDingoRobot HELLOOOOOOOO

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    lost to willdbeast
    lost to infa
     
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  22. fsk

    fsk Woke up after a long dream Forum Moderator Server Moderator Forum Moderator Server Moderator

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    @EvilDingoRobot @jinwengong @Infa @Velvet Blood @チャンピオンワタル @Mr. Subbs @willdbeast @Funbot28 @Edna

    Hi all, I updated the table in the OP based on the logs I have. Please check them to see if they are correct. You still have until March the 9th to finish all the battles, and for those who need to depend on the weekend to fight some opponents in different timezones, I strong encourage you to schedule the game via profile post before weekend comes. Also reminding you that please do check who is gonna save log before the battle, and if both are on droid, ask a server moderator to help you save the log if necessary.


    On a separate note, some of you already finished a good portion of the matches while waiting for the others. So here is a tentative building restriction for Round 2, and you can start thinking about the teams if you want to.
    In round 2 we look at dazzling/queenly majesty/psychic surge; This problem is rather complicated, and a conclusion on to what degree these things are unhealthy is not agreed upon for PO meta.
    R2, the test clauses is to BAN Fake out/Extreme Speed on Mold breaker/Turboblaze/Teravolt to see whether the dazzling/queenly majesty is asking too much from generic team building. You are still free to bring common checks like unaware arceus dark to fight against psychic terrain mewtwo etc. More detailed guide will be included in Round 2 thread.

    Edit: The thread for Round 2 is up.
     
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  23. Edna

    Edna Chasing the Dragon Forum Moderator Tournament Host Forum Moderator Tournament Host

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    Drop me out.. I'm super busy with exams and barely have time for myself, so to play idk how many games that's quite impossible to me



    fsk edit: roger that. Gl with ur final ig... Editted the table accordingly.
     
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  24. willdbeast

    willdbeast All round nice guy

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    Lost to jinwengong 3-0
     
  25. Funbot28

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    Won vs EDR
    Edit: Also won vs Mr.Subbs
     
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  26. fsk

    fsk Woke up after a long dream Forum Moderator Server Moderator Forum Moderator Server Moderator

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    Out of the 28 games, there are 18 completed so far, with 10 more left. The deadline is actually approaching and the guideline for Round 2 is up already.

    The remaining match are as the following, pls try to get them done by March the 9th. If you haven't scheduled a time, I strongly encourage you to schedule for it. Thx!

    @チャンピオンワタル vs @willdbeast
    @チャンピオンワタル vs @EvilDingoRobot
    @チャンピオンワタル vs @Mr. Subbs
    @Funbot28 vs @willdbeast
    @Funbot28 vs @jinwengong
    @willdbeast vs @Velvet Blood
    @willdbeast vs @Mr. Subbs
    @Velvet Blood vs @EvilDingoRobot
    @Velvet Blood vs @Mr. Subbs
    @Infa vs @Mr. Subbs
     
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  27. チャンピオンワタル

    チャンピオンワタル HYPER BEAM!

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    I have defeated willdbeast 4-4 (since he forfeited before the battle was truly over). GG.
     
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    Won vs Wilbeast in a GG
     
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  29. Mr. Subbs

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    Just lost to La.DWise
     
  30. fsk

    fsk Woke up after a long dream Forum Moderator Server Moderator Forum Moderator Server Moderator

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    The original deadline for Round 1 has passed.

    @チャンピオンワタル vs @EvilDingoRobot
    @チャンピオンワタル vs @Mr. Subbs
    @Funbot28 vs @jinwengong
    @willdbeast vs @Mr. Subbs
    @Velvet Blood vs @EvilDingoRobot

    Now, these remaining matches get an extension until March 12th, meaning you can do battles on the weekend to get the stuff done. I strongly suggest you schedule with each other through profile post if you fail to meet at normal time, and you can definitely battle for R1 and R2 consecutively if both have teams ready for each Round. If any R1 matches remains incomplete after March 12th, I will decide the activity win based on your forum profile post.

    The deadline for R2 is March 21st, with availability and rules listed in its own thread. You can start R2 battle now, just don't forget to get R1 done before March 12th. Good luck to all participants.

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    March 13th Edit:
    Round 1 is closed.
    These following four matches will be decided based on activity post and record.
    @チャンピオンワタル vs @Mr. Subbs
    Neither of the players tried to contact with each other via profile post, so no point given. If you have contacted in private, pls send me the logs so I can decide the result.
    @Funbot28 vs @jinwengong
    Both tried to schedule but eventually you didn't make it, so no point given. If you have contacted in private and think one of you should get the activity win, send me the logs so I can decide the result.
    @willdbeast vs @Mr. Subbs
    I was on when you two promised to fight but @Mr. Subbs didn't show as he promised on the profile post, so win given to @willdbeast
    @Velvet Blood vs @EvilDingoRobot
    Neither of the players tried to contact with each other via profile post, so no point given. If you have contacted in private and think one of you should get the activity win, pls send me the logs so I can decide the result.
     
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  31. fsk

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