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[Balanced Hackmons] SM Balanced Hackmon Experience Building Tour [Round 2]

Discussion in 'Gen 7 Side Metagames' started by fsk, Mar 4, 2017.

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  1. fsk

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    Welcome to SM Balanced Hackmons Experience Building Tournament!


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    This tournament has the purpose of helping the participants build their experience on certain controversial elements in the current SM Balanced Hackmons of Pokemon Online, preparing you with valid arguments in upcoming suspects and bans based on real experience of the meta.


    In each round, there will be a special clause pertaining to the specific controversial element that we are testing. For this round, we are looking at the impact of some special new toys of gen 7: Dazzling, Queenly Majesty and Psychic Surge. All these three abilities share one trait: they somewhat stop Priority attacks and could be effective on setup sweepers to prevent revenge killing from Priorities. Usually packed with Shell smash and Focus Sash, some of these set up sweepers can win Imposter Chansey 1 on 1 due to the defensive stats drop and focus sash, esp. when being lucky and winning speed ties. Some also argue that, Dazzling and Queenly Majesty does not announce itself in battle and could pressure people to click Priority to revenge any sort of Set up sweepers before their abilities revealed; Psychic Surge, on the other hand, announces itself but can support teammates setup sweepers as well as boost Psychic Type attacks like Psystrike and Store Power.


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    In order to test how much impact these elements would have on our metagame, I will encourage you to test some of them on the ladder and in this tour. In addition, Fake out + Extreme Speed are banned on Pokemon with Mold breaker/Turboblaze/Terravolt this round. While Mold breaker and its duplicates do ignore Dazzling, Queenly Majesty and can possibly revenge kill, they actually have so little use in our bulky offense metagame. With them banned, we can see whether these priority blocking abilities can cause trouble in walling them with generic checks.


    Let me give you some examples of Dazzling/Queenly Majesty set-up attackers, together with some of the Psychic Surge Attackers.

    Mega Rayquaza @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Dazzling
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
    - Shell Smash
    - Ice Beam
    - Dragon Ascent
    - Thousand Arrows
    Choose a nature and an ice coverage for Zygarde and Imposter, recommended to tweak the EVs to let ice coverage OHKO -1 Eviolite Chansey Impostered Ray.

    Mega Gengar (M) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Queenly Majesty
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 172 SDef / 252 Spd
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Shell Smash
    - Moongeist Beam
    - Sludge Wave
    - Secret Sword

    172 SDef to let you OHKO Eviolite Chansey that impostered you after the shell smash.

    Deoxys-Attack @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Psychic Surge
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Shell Smash
    - Stored Power
    - Precipice Blades
    - Ice Beam

    Similar Movesets and different coverage options could function similarly on MMY.

    Marshadow @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Dazzling
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Spectral Thief
    - Shell Smash
    - Close Combat
    - Ice Hammer
    Spectral Thief gets you +4 when Chansey impostered u after shell smash, resulting a OHKO.

    Regigigas @ Life Orb/Ghost Memory
    Ability: Queenly Majesty
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Shell Smash
    - Extreme Speed
    - Return/Frustration
    - Spectral Thief/Multi Attack/Ice Hammer
    Somewhat Imposter Proof due to Return/Frustration. could choose other options. Utilizing normal type to get immune to spectral thief.

    Mega Tyranitar (F) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Dazzling
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Shell Smash
    - Low Kick/Diamond Storm
    - Power Trip/Beat Up
    - Sunsteel Strike

    If you are using a non-self-imposter-proof set from above, please make sure you have a teammate in your team that can check the set you are using when opposing chansey imposters them.

    You should also note that how effective these sets would be is something you should weight and scale before you put them on your team.

    Also notice that shell smash can also be viable with Magic Guard Sash sweepers since they get immune to Innards Out, in addition to mold breaker/Simple while the former ignores unaware and the latter relying on even more powerful Power Trip/Stored Power to break the walls.



    And some examples of generic checks/counters to some of the attackers. (They mostly likely check many of the threats but fails to do so when certain coverage are brought.)

    Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
    Ability: Imposter
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Fake Out
    - Skill Swap
    - Spiky Shield
    - Shore Up
    Would appear shaky if opponent diminish the defensive EV spread on purpose

    Arceus-Dark @ Safety Goggles
    Ability: Unaware
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Spectral Thief
    - Shore Up
    - U-turn/Others
    - Knock Off/Beat up

    Arceus-Water @ Safety Goggles
    Ability: Unaware
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Spectral Thief
    - Shore Up
    - U-turn
    - Scald/Will-o-wisp/Others

    Similar Unaware settings on Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Steel, Mega Audino, Yvelta, Gyarados-Mega, and Zygarde-complete all checks a bunch of them depending on the coverage typing.

    Arceus-Ghost @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Prankster
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    IVs: 0 Atk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Destiny Bond
    - Shore Up
    - Haze
    - Trick
    Similar Prankster Destiny Bond/Haze set on Giratina, Arceus-Steel, Aegislash, Zygarde-Complete etc. functions similarly. Could use other items while changing Trick to U-turn.

    Chansey (F) @ Wiki Berry
    Level: 97
    Ability: Innards Out
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 Spd
    Gentle Nature (+SDef, -Def)
    - Final Gambit/Metal Burst
    - Slack Off
    - Defog/Rapid Spin
    - Parting Shot/U-turn
    Many High HP mons can tweak the EVs and Nature to ensure to get OHKOed by certain targets and blows up in their way. This Chansey level aims to be taken out even by certain multi-attack moves, while always leave the battle field the last. Feel free to further tweek it.

    Mega Gyarados (M) @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Knock Off
    - U-turn
    - Spectral Thief
    - Sunsteel Strike
    Could still check certain Special attackers.

    Giratina @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Spectral Thief
    - Wish/Shore up
    - King's Shield
    - Whirwind.

    Arceus-Water @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Gastro Acid
    - Wish/Shore up
    - King's Shield
    - Spectral Thief

    Other than the special Clause, everything is the same as a ladder match.

    You should check the following clauses when challenging, and no more:
    Disallow Spects (to prevent scouting; if you need someone to save logs for you, server mod can still do so since they bypass it.)
    Team Preview
    Self-KO


    In this round, everyone has to battle everyone else once under the specific rule, and every win earns you a point of 2, and a lose earns you 0. Consistent johning will potentially lead to a loss of points.

    Players who played with a team conflicting the specific clause will automatically lose that game so please make sure you bring the correct team. You are encouraged to ask me or other auth on the server to check your team before you start the battle.

    Please also check if your team loaded properly on windows, since bugs happened (see http://pokemon-online.eu/threads/35553/ ) The best way to double check it is open two tabs to challenge yourself.

    You need to save the Battle Logs and send to me through forum PM or server PM in the form of pastebin etc (privately if this round is not over yet) or post in the Tour thread (only after this round ends) to validate the result. If both of you are having trouble saving logs, contact any server auth that is not participating in this tour to save the logs for you. Major Forum Tournament rule applies, including activity calls.

    Here is a list of availability on weekdays in terms of GMT from Round 1, and you can still follow this information to battle each other in Round 2. Should there be any change, please post in this thread as detailed as possible.

    PO trainer ID in bracket, separated by Coma.

    @Infa (La.Dwize) 4pm - 7 am GMT
    @willdbeast 6pm - 10 pm GMT
    @EvilDingoRobot (EDR, Duck Hunt, castillodelacolina) 11pm - 1am GMT
    @Funbot28 4pm - 10 pm GMT
    @Velvet Blood 1 am - 4 am GMT
    @jinwengong (emp., testitube) 11am - 4pm GMT
    @チャンピオンワタル (【天龍神】 ワタル) 6 AM - 4pm GMT
    @Mr. Subbs 9pm - 12pm GMT



    Round 1 starts from March 9th and lasts till March 21st.

    - BO1, Round Robin BH battle.
    - Fake out + Extreme Speed are banned on Pokemon with Mold breaker/Turboblaze/Terravolt this round.
    - A team conflicting the specific clause will automatically lose. You can ask me/server mod to check your team b4 you battle.
    - Send full Battle Logs to me in private (pastebin and forum PM/ server PM) to validate the result. Check who is on a computer to save the log before you battle! Ask a server moderator to help if necessary.
    - Rounrd 1 is March 9th - March 21st. Post in this thread if your availability has any change from Round 1.

    ParticipantsチャンピオンワタルFunbot28willdbeastvelvet bloodjinwengongInfaEvilDingoRobotMr. Subbs
    R2
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    Total
    Score
    チャンピオンワタルN/AxxxLWxx214
    Funbot28xN/Axxxxxx08
    willdbeastxxN/AxxWxx28

    velvet blood
    xxxN/ALxxx06
    jinwengongWxxWN/AW*xW818
    InfaLxLxL*N/Axx08
    EvilDingoRobotxxxxxxN/Ax02
    Mr. SubbsxxxxLxxN/A00
    * indicates that the log is missing and the result would not count until the log is provided.
    http://challonge.com/posmbh2
    If there is anything i missed out, pls message me so I can look into it.



    Good luck to you all!
     
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  2. EvilDingoRobot

    EvilDingoRobot HELLOOOOOOOO

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    also on alt Galway Girl and kil mor duk
     
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  3. willdbeast

    willdbeast All round nice guy

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    Won vs Infa gg
     
  4. fsk

    fsk Kept Hacking Forum Moderator Server Moderator Tour Director Forum Moderator Server Moderator Tour Director

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    @Infa (La.Dwize)
    @willdbeast
    @EvilDingoRobot (EDR, Duck Hunt, castillodelacolina,Galway Girl and kil mor duk)
    @Funbot28
    @Velvet Blood
    @jinwengong (emp., testitube)
    @チャンピオンワタル (【天龍神】 ワタル)
    @Mr. Subbs

    Tagging all participants since this round seem to a bit dead rn. I will extend the deadline to March.26th so that you got another weekend to play each other. You are strongly encouraged to contact each other through profile post. Any game that is still not done after March.26th will be decided by profile post record.

    Also @Infa I need your log/replay for you battle with emp. Thx!

    Another note is that Round 3 will begin together with a suspect test, and the target of the suspect will take account of all the logs you guys provided.
     
  5. チャンピオンワタル

    チャンピオンワタル HYPER BEAM!

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    I have defeated Infa 5-4 (since he forfeited before the battle was truly over). GG.
     
  6. fsk

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    The Deadline for R2 passed.
    With a general loss of activity of the majority of the players, I will change the format to Elimination format for the next round.
    As the table shows, the top 5 players with highest points are:
    @jinwengong (18) @チャンピオンワタル (14) @Infa (8) @willdbeast (8) @Funbot28 (8)
    Since I said I would reward activity, @Infa (8) @willdbeast (8) at least played for Round 2 and therefore are chosen over Funbot28.

    The remaining part of the Tournament would be simply a BO3 Elimination format for the remaining 4 players, and expect the thread up a day later since there are some quick-bans coming in.

    Also, all logs I collected are sorted and posted so you can recheck them and form more opinions on the current meta.

    Logs for Round 1 can be found here

    Logs for Round 2 are as the following:
    @チャンピオンワタル vs @jinwengong
    @チャンピオンワタル vs @Infa
    @willdbeast vs @Infa
    @jinwengong vs @velvet blood
    @jinwengong vs @Mr. Subbs
    Log of jinwengong vs Infa currently missing but someone saved and didn't send.
     
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