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Suspect Discussion: Metagrossite (Banned)

Discussion in 'Gen 7 Discussion' started by gengar17, Apr 19, 2017.

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  1. gengar17

    gengar17 someone turn this victini into gengar Tier Leader Tier Leader

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    Discuss the possibility of Metagrossite being banned from the SM OU tier.

    Use this thread to discuss Metagrossite’s effect on the metagame. Talk about the different sets it can use, possible partners and team support, and potential checks and counters. State your opinion on whether you think it should be banned or if it should stay in SM OU.

    All opinions are valid, and discussion amongst players is not only allowed but encouraged, provided your judgment is backed with sound reasoning and validation coming from experience having played with / against Metagrossite in the tier. Do not simply say "it's broken" or "it's not broken”, and do not make arguments via theorymoning.

    Check out this Guide to Suspect Posting before getting started if you are unsure of anything. Happy posting!
     
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    po > smogon oml wtf
     
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    Annoying Orange sweet creature Server Moderator Social Media Rep Server Moderator Social Media Rep

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    Mega Metagross can often be a hard Pokemon to play against. Anyone can tell you this.
    The Mega speed buff this gen made it far easier to revenge kill things like non scarf Garchomp/Keldeo/Lando-T, Heatran, Hoopa, the list goes on.
    Not only this, Metagross can 2hko almost everything that isn't a physical wall and thanks to it's decent movepool, it can sometimes be hard to know what it's running. Thunderpunch can still OHKO Gyarados at -1, as can ice punch vs Landorus-T.

    Also let's not forget, Meteor Mash can give Metagross attack boosts which can easily win games. Mega Meta also has base 150 defense and 110 SDef which makes it bulky enough to survive attacks.

    will add more later
     
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  4. AnuncioBot

    AnuncioBot Tome muito líquido!

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    Mega Metagross has a huge number of qualities and characteristics, such as;

    Great natural bulk, even without investment, have incredible 80/150/110 defenses, which make Metagross-M a natural offensive tank.

    Good speed tier,the mega speed buff did very well to Metagross-M, which can now mega evolve safely, as it is an immediate threat to the opposing team.

    Tough Claws provides a 1/3 boost for every regular move except Earthquake.

    Speaking of its movepool, its biggest '' flaw '', the 4mss, is actually a very high risk factor for the opponent, since the only really guaranteed move is Meteor Mash, and all the others 3 represent very much coverage making Metagross-M unpredicable.

    With its great bulk and offensive power, it is relatively easy for Metagross to simply spam several Meteor Mash, and the chances of a 1+ Atk are real, making Metagross even more menacing. (Yes, this point may seem like an no-solid argument, but it's not something I want to leave out of the analysis.)

    Have acess to priority Bullet Punch.

    Metagross-M takes advantage of all Terrains in metagame.
    (Electric; Prevents Asleep and Thunder Punch boost.
    Psychic; Immunity against priority aka Sucker Punch and Zen Headbutt boost.
    Grassy; Reduces Earthquake weakness and recovery.
    Misty; Prevents status)

    Stealth Rock and Agility/Rock Polish are just niches, but still usables.

    This whole set of factors makes Metagross-M a Pokémon that exceeds the OverUsed tier, so it need be banned.

    Congrats PO, for not waiting for Smogon to do what it should have done already 2 months ago.
     
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  5. Finchinator

    Finchinator Addicted and just can't get enough Tier Leader Tier Leader

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    Mega-Metagross is easily one of the most consistently threatening Pokemon in the tier and this suspect is far from surprising, in my eyes. I believe that it is a well-rounded Pokemon and it functions well on pretty much every front, but it has some specific traits that make it stand-out and make opposing counterplay extremely challenging. With an above average Speed Tier and high attack, Mega-Metagross can take advantage of strong STABs and a plethora of viable coverage moves to wreck havoc on the offensive end of the spectrum. Additionally, Mega-Metagross wields superb physical bulk and satisfactory special bulk, meaning that it can get in reasonably unlike other Pokemon that fit the glass-cannon description moreso than the all-around-threat type of Pokemon that I view Mega-Metagross as. Looking at the potential counters for Mega-Metagross, the Pokemon that stand out in my eyes are Mega-Scizor, Rocky Helmet Tangrowth, and the rare Mega-Slowbro. It has various checks, as well, such as Physically Defensive Mew, Skarmory, and Rotom-Wash, but there are only a handful of things that can consistently switch-in to opposing Mega-Metagross and this restricts teambuilding as is. On top of that, Mega-Metagross can adapt to various Pokemon listed above -- Hidden Power Fire has been used sporadically in order to hit Mega-Scizor, Rocky Helmet Tangrowth and Mew can be worn out by hazards and simply lose if Mega-Metagross gets an attack raise with Meteor Mash at any point, and Pokemon like Mega-Slowbro are terribly uncommon as is. Therefore, I find Mega-Metagross to be too much for the current metagame and I am strongly leaning towards voting ban on this suspect.​
     
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  6. Finchinator

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    We have decided to ban Mega-Metagross.

    Fuck user: @Xdevo

    fuck finch
     
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