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[Metagame] May and June LU Suspect and Metagame Discussion

Discussion in 'Gen 7 LU' started by Xdevo, May 8, 2017.

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  1. Xdevo

    Xdevo Phrasing Super Moderator Tour Director Super Moderator Tour Director

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    Banned Pokémon: Absol, Aerodactyl, Alomomola, Amoonguss, Azelf, Azumarill, Beedrill, Blastoise, Blissey, Breloom, Buzzwole, Chandelure, Chesnaught, Clefable, Cobalion, Conkeldurr, Crobat, Decidueye, Empoleon, Entei, Forretress, Gliscor, Hydreigon, Infernape, Jirachi, Krookodile, Kyurem, Latias, Latios, Mandibuzz, Mamoswine, Medicham, Mew, Alolan Muk, Mienshao, Necrozma, Nidoking, Pidgeot, Pinsir, Primarina, Serperior, Sharpedo, Slowbro, Snorlax, Staraptor, Steelix, Swampert, Tentacruel, Terrakion, Tornadus-Therian, Toxicroak, Tsareena, Victini, Xurkitree, Weavile

    Alongside all of OU


    Post anything you wish to be suspected here.
     
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    Some potentially problematic Pokemon that I've seen so far:

    Crawdaunt
    It has Adaptability with STAB Knock Off, Crabhammer, and Aqua Jet, access to Swords Dance, and a base 120 Attack stat. It can be very threatening to defensive builds and some offensive builds if it can set up a Swords Dance.

    Durant
    With Z-Hone Claws, Durant can boost its Attack by 2 stages while nullifying the accuracy drop caused by Hustle. Its excellent base 109 Speed tier allows it to be a threat to any play style. Of course, it still has the option to run Life Orb or Choice Band as well.

    Volcanion
    Choice Specs Volcanion can be pretty difficult to switch into. Bulky Water-types can usually switch into it, but they have to beware Hidden Power, and they usually can't do much back to it due to Water Absorb. Goodra is solid switch-in, but most other Dragon-types still take too much damage from a resisted hit or they have to beware of Steam Eruption burns.

    I haven't encountered these in LU yet, but Heracronite, Houndoomnite, and Hawlucha might be problematic.

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    Hawlucha
    After playing around with Hawlucha for a bit, I'd say it is definitely problematic. Power Herb + Sky Attack gives Hawlucha the chance to activate Unburden while nuking something, and then it can clean up with Acrobatics and High Jump Kick. If it gets a free turn to setup Swords Dance, that is usually an instant game over. Yes, Doublade is in the tier and completely walls it, but that alone isn't enough to justify keeping it in the tier.
     
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    Alakazam is a blanket check to physical threats as long as its Focus Sash is in check and is the fastest viable Pokemon in LU and is capable of 2HKOing the vast majority of the metagame with 3 moves that also allows it to keep Counter. Defensive Sylveon and Umbreon can wall that set pretty easily but neither are viable outside of stall or balance (Umbreon in particular) restricting teambuilding further. Alakazam can even work around these sets as it has a variety of other options to use over Counter in Thunder Wave, Encore, Calm Mind. Overall I think Alakazam is far too much for the metagame.

    I also think Porygon-Z might be broken even without his Z-Conversion set. I haven't played much with it much but it has access to a good speed tier for LU (90) multiple boosting moves (Nasty Plot, Agility) and 3 solid abilities with different levels of reliability. It's unpredictability allows it to decimate either offense or more defensive inclined teams depending on which set it decides to use and is probably too much for the tier.
     
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    Yo Mega Heracross is LU and is by far the biggest threat to the tier, this should have been quickbanned but eh.
    Amazing attack, natural bulk, forces people to use weezing with hp flying. Medium speed can be used in Trick Room or anyway to outspeed the regular slow threats of the tier
    Having access to SD and multi hit moves is no joke coming from a 185 base attack
    Anyway, please remove this asap from LU
     
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